October 13, 20205 yr 23 minutes ago, Rudy said: I think one of the reasons the public ignore advice is because they don’t support the politician who his delivering the advice. It shouldn’t be the case, a top scientist should be the leader of this ungodly mess. We’ll sort out the politics another time. I like that idea, especially given the useless fuck we've got now Edited October 13, 20205 yr by mickbrown
October 13, 20205 yr Fwiw I’m not against a proper short term lockdown but don’t feel 2 weeks is going to achieve much. All it’s going to do is slow it a bit and then push the ultimate landing point out a few weeks. My main issue with it is the financial damage it’s going to cause to people as the government cannot pay everyone full wages. Simple as that.
October 13, 20205 yr 13 minutes ago, Casino said: the scientists disagree Its all very odd 12 minutes ago, Boby Brno said: Not all the scientists. This is the issue in a nutshell. Arguments for both, does the firebreak actually produce the desired effect quicker and potentially therefore save money in the long-term. Especially, if the current new system doesn't have the desired effect, and they end up doing it anyway. Or stick with a level of restriction, and vary it according to numbers- this so called middle way. Craig whittaker spoke well in today's debate, and finally we had someone saying it as it is, in that despite the large majority following rules, minority (still large enough number) not doing essentially buggers it up for everyone. No matter what system is employed it involves everyone playing their part. I agree with Rudy's comments strongly: politicians sticking together offering the same message makes it far easier for people. Even if the adopted method turned out not to be the absolute best, it would probably be better than having a slightly better one with fewer following it.
October 13, 20205 yr 12 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: See if you can find Bolton on here. Let me know what you think when you find them. 28th, up a little, but still high. I'm assuming this is an accurate table and isn't misinformation? Comments seem somewhat contradictory but I'm not sure what we are supposed to be looking for?
October 13, 20205 yr Starmer takes the side of SAGE, half of the cabinet, and the majority of the general public. If we don't opt for the circuit breaker and cases continue to rise, he can point out that we'd all be enjoying a much less restricted Christmas if the Government had listened to him. If the Government does opt for the circuit breaker, he can claim he suggested it first. Politically, I doubt it would damage him. Anyway, I think we're fucked either way. Too many people are still worried about catching the virus to avoid a lockdown at some stage, but there are too many people who won't comply that the lockdown measures won't have a big enough effect. The test and trace systems in countries that do it successfully rely on very high compliance levels and strict enforcement. I just can't see that happening here, or in any Western country really (with the possible exception of Germany). I think we're going to be in this state of flux until there's either a vaccine that's effective enough or treatment plans and antiviral drugs to treat the disease means there no risk of hospitals becoming overwhelmed.
October 13, 20205 yr 29 minutes ago, Spider said: Scientists aren’t interested in the economy, didnt claim they were Boby said it would be useless
October 13, 20205 yr 14 minutes ago, Spider said: Operation Hibernate not looking so far fetched now is it? Eh? Whitty been reading WW?
October 13, 20205 yr 11 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Fwiw I’m not against a proper short term lockdown but don’t feel 2 weeks is going to achieve much. All it’s going to do is slow it a bit and then push the ultimate landing point out a few weeks. My main issue with it is the financial damage it’s going to cause to people as the government cannot pay everyone full wages. Simple as that. Would 2 weeks be enough too? The wage payments is an interesting one- is the reduction partly aimed at reducing amount of cash available for spending on ale? As we've seen on here and nationally, plenty of furloughed folk with time on their hands and money in the pocket were supping more and perhaps losing inhibitions?
October 13, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Would 2 weeks be enough too? The wage payments is an interesting one- is the reduction partly aimed at reducing amount of cash available for spending on ale? As we've seen on here and nationally, plenty of furloughed folk with time on their hands and money in the pocket were supping more and perhaps losing inhibitions? It took 3 months last time. It would start at 2-3 weeks (which is it, Sir Keir?) and be extended until numbers were reduced.
October 13, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, boltondiver said: It took 3 months last time. It would start at 2-3 weeks (which is it, Sir Keir?) and be extended until numbers were reduced. An impossible situation for any government. Just listened to radio four and their brief review of European approaches to it all. Dutch did very well before, and now hints of a full lockdown. Similar in Belgium. Rutter concerned he will be voted out in next year's election on the back of it. German rates rapidly going up too. We need some vaccines ASAP.
October 13, 20205 yr 9 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: You ain't keen on Boris are you 😏 He's a lazy dollop of shite, topped with an unhealthy sprinkling of ego, finely dusted with a massive dose of incompetence. The useless twat. So in short, no 😀
October 13, 20205 yr Lockdown + Upsurge in Boozing = Massive reduction in Covid. I think you see where I’m going with this.
October 13, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, mickbrown said: He's a lazy dollop of shite, topped with an unhealthy sprinkling of ego, finely dusted with a massive dose of incompetence. The useless twat. So in short, no 😀 Learned the other day he rises at 5.00am, goes for a run and is breakfasted and working often before others are even awake. Apparently, laziness isn't at all true. The others will always be more open to debate.
October 13, 20205 yr Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said: Learned the other day he rises at 5.00am, goes for a run and is breakfasted and working often before others are even awake. Apparently, laziness isn't at all true. The others will always be more open to debate. Breakfasted?!
October 13, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: I still prefer him than that dodgy stumpy lawyer on the other side, he's even more useless. Rivals Parkinson for dullness.
October 13, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Breakfasted?! My addition to the lexicon of WW. Its the past tense too, legitimate word! Edited October 13, 20205 yr by Tonge moor green jacket
October 13, 20205 yr 15 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Would 2 weeks be enough too? The wage payments is an interesting one- is the reduction partly aimed at reducing amount of cash available for spending on ale? As we've seen on here and nationally, plenty of furloughed folk with time on their hands and money in the pocket were supping more and perhaps losing inhibitions? That’s what I was saying mate 2 weeks wouldn’t achieve much and then we would find ourselves locked down all winter. It can’t happen so whilst it wouldn’t bother me and my own personal or financial circumstances hugely I just think we need to avoid it as it will cripple people
October 13, 20205 yr 17 minutes ago, Casino said: didnt claim they were Boby said it would be useless 3 weeks would be useless. From our experience during the first one, it would take many more weeks to be effective.
October 13, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, Boby Brno said: 3 weeks would be useless. From our experience during the first one, it would take many more weeks to be effective. Unless we did it properly?
October 13, 20205 yr 10 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: An impossible situation for any government. Just listened to radio four and their brief review of European approaches to it all. Dutch did very well before, and now hints of a full lockdown. Similar in Belgium. Rutter concerned he will be voted out in next year's election on the back of it. German rates rapidly going up too. We need some vaccines ASAP. Can see many thousands refusing This
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