birch-chorley Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Ani said: Do SAGE advise purely on the best actions for controlling the virus but with no concern about the economy ? Assuming so Although the more economic damage done the worse the impact on public spending (healthcare) and excess deaths for years to come Noticed that Whitty ‘is concerned’ by the rise in over 60’s being admitted to Hospital. Bizarre that they have made no reference to age / vulnerability in the tier system. Surely in tier 3 the at risk groups should be shielding as they did in March? In tier 2 I’d suggest they should be avoiding indoor public spaces (pubs, restaurants etc) Quote
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 13, 2020 Site Supporter Posted October 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: Maybe https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54518002 But sounds like the current approach will just drag things out further Which probably has a longer term impact on everything Short term pain, long term gain No one on here is a fan of the short term pain philosophy Quote
Site Supporter MickyD Posted October 13, 2020 Site Supporter Posted October 13, 2020 47 minutes ago, Spider said: No one on here is a fan of the short term pain philosophy Plenty on here work in essential services. Emergency services, prison officers, funeral services, shop workers, the list goes on. What is the short term pain long term gain for them and their families? If they're facing people from outside of their own family unit then I'm just not getting how it'd work. Vaccine or put up with this as a new way of life? Quote
wiggy Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 Got to love the Mirror. Yesterday they were slaughtering Boris when it looked like he was going to impose stricter lockdowns. Today they are slaughtering him for not going nuclear with the SAGE suggested circuit breaker. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) Even the WHO now saying lockdown isn’t the answer. Took them a while to agree with the thickos. Edited October 13, 2020 by Mounts Kipper Quote
gonzo Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 10 hours ago, London Wanderer said: So you don't think China have manufactured a virus to infect the world & crash western economies for their own gain? You think this worldwide pandemic came from a bat in a food market? Quote
Escobarp Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 9 hours ago, Ani said: Do SAGE advise purely on the best actions for controlling the virus but with no concern about the economy ? Look at the makeup of sage Quote
mickbrown Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, gonzo said: You think this worldwide pandemic came from a bat in a food market? You think the bubonic plague came from fleas on rats? Quote
Moderators Zico Posted October 13, 2020 Moderators Posted October 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Even the WHO now saying lockdown isn’t the answer. Took them a while to agree with the thickos. Interesting points "“The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.” I don't think sporadic regional lockdowns are the answer but i do think we're heading towards are point where we need to regroup they also say "And so, we really do appeal to all world leaders: stop using lockdown as your primary control method. Develop better systems for doing it. Work together and learn from each other" Are we doing that? this applies to you too, don't be deleting that app Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, ZicoKelly said: Interesting points "“The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.” I don't think sporadic regional lockdowns are the answer but i do think we're heading towards are point where we need to regroup they also say "And so, we really do appeal to all world leaders: stop using lockdown as your primary control method. Develop better systems for doing it. Work together and learn from each other" Are we doing that? this applies to you too, don't be deleting that app I’m isolating, not sure I’m happy with the App, nor decided whether to bin it off yet. Quote
mickbrown Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: Interesting points "“The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.” I don't think sporadic regional lockdowns are the answer but i do think we're heading towards are point where we need to regroup they also say "And so, we really do appeal to all world leaders: stop using lockdown as your primary control method. Develop better systems for doing it. Work together and learn from each other" Are we doing that? this applies to you too, don't be deleting that app Proper test, track and trace system. 12 billion quid later and we still don't have one. That's a massive fuck up Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, mickbrown said: Proper test, track and trace system. 12 billion quid later and we still don't have one. That's a massive fuck up Unless you received the 12 billion. Quote
Gonk Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 13 hours ago, dave2980 said: You weren't legally allowed to meet the in the pub Yes you were - in GM it was strong advice to not meet, it wasn't enshrined in law that you couldn't. Who can I meet? a) at a private household, this means my home or someone else’s home? It is against the law to have people over in your house, and this includes your garden, if you do not live with them, unless they are in your support bubble or childcare bubble or, for the specific purposes mentioned below <link to Can workers visit my home? Section> It is against the law to meet people you do not live with in their home, and this includes their garden, whether they live inside or outside of Bolton, unless they are in your support bubble or childcare bubble or, for the specific purposes mentioned below. b) at a public place, i.e. at the park, in a library, at the shops, in a place of worship, pub or restaurant? You can meet friends and family who you do not live with (or are in a support or childcare bubble) up to a maximum of 6 people in an outdoor or indoor public place, although we do advise that you reduce the number of contacts as much as possible to reduce the spread of Covid-19. It is against the law to meet in a group of more than 6, whether this is indoors or outdoors. Children are included in the group of six Please do however remember, that to help stop the spread of the virus in Bolton, we strongly advise that you should not: socialise with people you do not live with, unless they’re in your support bubble, in any public venue. This applies to inside and outside of Bolton. Examples of public venues include pubs, shops, places of worship, community centres, leisure and entertainment venues, or visitor attractions. meet outdoors with anyone you do not live with, unless they are in your support bubble Quote
Members Rudy Posted October 13, 2020 Author Members Posted October 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Proper test, track and trace system. 12 billion quid later and we still don't have one. That's a massive fuck up Cmon Mick you know that won’t be their fault Quote
Escobarp Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Rudy said: Cmon Mick you know that won’t be their fault Could we not have the worlds best and some folk would just delete it if it meant they had to do something they didn’t want to? Quote
Traf Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gonk said: Yes you were - in GM it was strong advice to not meet, it wasn't enshrined in law that you couldn't. Who can I meet? a) at a private household, this means my home or someone else’s home? It is against the law to have people over in your house, and this includes your garden, if you do not live with them, unless they are in your support bubble or childcare bubble or, for the specific purposes mentioned below <link to Can workers visit my home? Section> It is against the law to meet people you do not live with in their home, and this includes their garden, whether they live inside or outside of Bolton, unless they are in your support bubble or childcare bubble or, for the specific purposes mentioned below. b) at a public place, i.e. at the park, in a library, at the shops, in a place of worship, pub or restaurant? You can meet friends and family who you do not live with (or are in a support or childcare bubble) up to a maximum of 6 people in an outdoor or indoor public place, although we do advise that you reduce the number of contacts as much as possible to reduce the spread of Covid-19. It is against the law to meet in a group of more than 6, whether this is indoors or outdoors. Children are included in the group of six Please do however remember, that to help stop the spread of the virus in Bolton, we strongly advise that you should not: socialise with people you do not live with, unless they’re in your support bubble, in any public venue. This applies to inside and outside of Bolton. Examples of public venues include pubs, shops, places of worship, community centres, leisure and entertainment venues, or visitor attractions. meet outdoors with anyone you do not live with, unless they are in your support bubble Serious question. So, I can go to Bolton and meet my nan in a park, but not in her back garden? If so, at the age of 97, isn't she more at risk getting to/being in the park? Quote
Moderators Zico Posted October 13, 2020 Moderators Posted October 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Proper test, track and trace system. 12 billion quid later and we still don't have one. That's a massive fuck up Aye, which is why we find ourselves in a situation no one wants and probably won't help us beat the virus long term 7/10 Quote
Moderators Zico Posted October 13, 2020 Moderators Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Traf said: Serious question. So, I can go to Bolton and meet my nan in a park, but not in her back garden? If so, at the age of 97, isn't she more at risk getting to/being in the park? I'd just go to her back garden if i were you Quote
Moderators Horwich Posted October 13, 2020 Moderators Posted October 13, 2020 Do you see that irish footballer who tested positive on Sunday, negative on Monday and positive Today? Quote
Members Rudy Posted October 13, 2020 Author Members Posted October 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Could we not have the worlds best and some folk would just delete it if it meant they had to do something they didn’t want to? Yeah people are idiots, Bozza can’t help that Quote
peelyfeet Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 23 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: Interesting points "“The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.” I don't think sporadic regional lockdowns are the answer but i do think we're heading towards are point where we need to regroup they also say "And so, we really do appeal to all world leaders: stop using lockdown as your primary control method. Develop better systems for doing it. Work together and learn from each other" Are we doing that? this applies to you too, don't be deleting that app Quote
Traf Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: I'd just go to her back garden if i were you I'm going to get her to sit in the front garden and I'll be on the street. I was just checking whether I'd got Bolton's rules right. Quote
birch-chorley Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 56 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Even the WHO now saying lockdown isn’t the answer. Took them a while to agree with the thickos. Excellent piece The unintended consequences of locking down are poverty and many more deaths than Covid would drive without a lockdown I’d imagine that we are already past the point where the economic damage will kill more than we have saved Quote
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 13, 2020 Site Supporter Posted October 13, 2020 54 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Even the WHO now saying lockdown isn’t the answer. Took them a while to agree with the thickos. One obvious point. We're not in lockdown, no where near in fact. Even scousers can still go into a restaurant. For me, I can't help thinking we should have gone with SAGE recommendation. If people are still going to flout the laws and guidance, then the chances are we'll just stretch it out further. Perhaps the short term pain plan would have been the best way. Quote
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