mickbrown Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, Horwich said: Do you see that irish footballer who tested positive on Sunday, negative on Monday and positive Today? Sound like a shit cover version of a Craig David song Quote
mickbrown Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 20 minutes ago, Rudy said: Cmon Mick you know that won’t be their fault Aye, nothing to see here. Move along folk Quote
gonzo Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, mickbrown said: You think the bubonic plague came from fleas on rats? Gazillions of rats roaming the streets pissing and shitting all over the place and biting mother fuckers with no shoes on washing their trollies in a sess pit? Hardly the same as a quick nibble on a bat and the next thing the worlds caved in old boy admittedly im thinking of the black death but the point still stands Edited October 13, 2020 by gonzo Quote
Burndens Bogs Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 23 minutes ago, Traf said: Serious question. So, I can go to Bolton and meet my nan in a park, but not in her back garden? If so, at the age of 97, isn't she more at risk getting to/being in the park? When you put it like that, it just highlights how ridiculous some of these rules are. Quote
Moderators Zico Posted October 13, 2020 Moderators Posted October 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, Traf said: I'm going to get her to sit in the front garden and I'll be on the street. I was just checking whether I'd got Bolton's rules right. TBH that's probably as safe as going to the park for a walk, unless there's some sort of protest going on I think the garden thing was more relevant in the summer, but they don't want people getting together for a BBQ and piss up which invariably ends up inside Quote
peelyfeet Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: Excellent piece The unintended consequences of locking down are poverty and many more deaths than Covid would drive without a lockdown I’d imagine that we are already past the point where the economic damage will kill more than we have saved Have a look at what Dr Nabarro has published, or listen to the whole interview and see how a message has been misinterpreted by people yet again - why don't people paint the whole picture I wonder? - instead we gate a soundbite from an interview and a headline on Twitter - "Important statement from WHO" "WHO backflips on lockdowns" with an unrelated photo - total misrepresentation. I could just as easily quote from Dr Nabarro with the headline "WHO warns about going for Herd Immunity" , "WHO says herd immunity will will lead to lots of deaths as well as debilitating long-Covid among younger people" and post a photo of someone dying on a covid ward. I know fuck all about Jason Kenney, but if you have a quick look at his twitter feed the overall gist is "the federal government of Canada are cocking up the oil and gas industry in with regulation and green economics" he's a poltician with an axe to grind. https://www.4sd.info/covid-19-narratives/reflections-about-the-middle-path/ WANKERS. Edited October 13, 2020 by peelyfeet Quote
birch-chorley Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: Have a look at what Dr Nabarro has published, or listen to the whole interview and see how a message has been misinterpreted by people yet again - why don't people paint the whole picture I wonder? - instead we gate a soundbite from an interview and a headline on Twitter - "Important statement from WHO" "WHO backflips on lockdowns" with an unrelated photo - total misrepresentation. I could just as easily quote from Dr Nabarro with the headline "WHO warns about going for Herd Immunity" , "WHO says herd immunity will will lead to lots of deaths as well as debilitating long-Covid among younger people" and post a photo of someone dying on a covid ward. I know fuck all about Jason Kenney, but if you have a quick look at his twitter feed the overall gist is "the federal government of Canada are cocking up the oil and gas industry in with regulation and green economics" he's a poltician with an axe to grind. https://www.4sd.info/covid-19-narratives/reflections-about-the-middle-path/ WANKERS. Discredit it all you want, surely you agree that smashing the worlds economy causes millions upon millions of unnecessary deaths? The Guardian believes that 130k died in the U.K. over the last 5 years as our Healthcare budget only went up 10% rather than 20%. Let’s see how many unnecessary deaths they think some proper cuts will have, we may need to reduce the NHS budget by billions as the economy has collapsed. What do you think we are looking at? 300k, 400k or even 500k unnecessary deaths over the next 5 years? As a wealthy nation our losses down the line will be small compared to some of the poorer countries. That link above mentions the Caribbean Islands, these places rely on tourism to drive the economy, without that industry for 1 or even 2 years they are looking down the barrel at severe budget cuts that will lead to many more unnecessary deaths than what they are looking at from Covid It’s no conspiracy theory, a world economic crash like this leads to millions of deaths on the back of everyone (on the whole) becoming poorer. The global economy should come first, that’s what pays for the healthcare system that saves lives Edited October 13, 2020 by birch-chorley Quote
peelyfeet Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: Discredit it all you want, surely you agree that smashing the worlds economy causes millions upon millions of unnecessary deaths The Guardian believes that 130k died in the U.K. over 5 years as our Healthcare budget only went up 10% rather than 20%. Let’s see how many unnecessary deaths they think some proper cuts have when we need reduce the NHS budget by billions as the economy has collapsed. What do you think we are looking at? 300k, 400k or even 500k over the next 5 years? As a wealthy nation our losses down the line will be small compared to some of the poorer countries. That link above mentions the Caribbean Islands, these places rely on tourism to drive the economy, without that industry for 1 or even 2 years they are looking down the barrel at severe budget cuts that will lead to many more unnecessary deaths than what they are looking at from Covid It’s no conspiracy theory, a world economic crash like this leads to millions of deaths on the back of everyone (on the whole) becoming poorer. The global economy should come first, that’s what pays for the healthcare system that saves lives im not discrediting wht Dr Nabarro said Birch, in the main I agree with almost everything hes' said - have you read what he's published? - do you think "WHO backflips on lockdowns" is an accurate portrayal of this ? or not? https://www.4sd.info/covid-19-narratives/reflections-about-the-middle-path/ Edited October 13, 2020 by peelyfeet Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) I see Burnham now favours a short circuit closing everything down, yesterday moaning about closing bars in manchester, I’ll just ignore the tweezer eye brow twat from now on. Can’t we go back to mayors with chains just for show. Edited October 13, 2020 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 13, 2020 Site Supporter Posted October 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: I see Burnham now favours a short circuit closing everything down, yesterday moaning about closing bars in manchester, I’ll just ignore the tweezer eye brow twat from now on. Can’t we go back to mayors with chains just for show. He's busy trying to protect his job. Not alone in fairness, politicians of all persuasion trying to do popular/less 'bad thing rather than perhaps the right thing. Quote
birch-chorley Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 18 minutes ago, peelyfeet said: im not discrediting wht Dr Nabarro said Birch - have you read what he's published - do you think "WHO backflips on lockdowns" is an accurate portrayal of this ? or not https://www.4sd.info/covid-19-narratives/reflections-about-the-middle-path/ Just watched the Neill interview, very good Couldn't comment if ‘backflip on lockdowns’ is a fair representation as I don’t know what the initial advice from the WHO was, do you? He clearly states that the WHO don't believe in lockdowns. They would only advocate them in order to buy time to re group (you’d like to think we’ve had that with the 3 month lockdown in March) He goes on to talk about the horrendous economic impact the restrictions are having across the world (Tourism in the Carribean islands etc) It’s clear that the restrictions on the economy will kill many millions over the coming years. Question is will you save more lives fighting Covid OR more protecting the Global Economy. He’s suggesting a middle road However if the middle road includes holidays to the Caribbean then you’d imagine a pub lunch is also viable Quote
peelyfeet Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: Just watched the Neill interview, very good Couldn't comment if ‘backflip on lockdowns’ is a fair representation as I don’t know what the initial advice from the WHO was, do you? He clearly states that the WHO don't believe in lockdowns. They would only advocate them in order to buy time to re group (you’d like to think we’ve had that with the 3 month lockdown in March) He goes on to talk about the horrendous economic impact the restrictions are having across the world (Tourism in the Carribean islands etc) It’s clear that the restrictions on the economy will kill many millions over the coming years. Question is will you save more lives fighting Covid OR more protecting the Global Economy. He’s suggesting a middle road However if the middle road includes holidays to the Caribbean then you’d imagine a pub lunch is also viable Middle road yep - I agree with it, and if the twitter feed said "WHO expert advocates a middle road approach", Id have no problem with it at all - I just hate Spin and deceit mate, I like people who are honest and open. Probably stems from my job, which basically is removing bullshit from marketing, I've been doing it for years so it's a touchy subject, Marketing wankers. And also growing up in Newburgh I had to put up with Parbold knobheads a lot - joking mate. Quote
mickbrown Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, gonzo said: Gazillions of rats roaming the streets pissing and shitting all over the place and biting mother fuckers with no shoes on washing their trollies in a sess pit? Hardly the same as a quick nibble on a bat and the next thing the worlds caved in old boy admittedly im thinking of the black death but the point still stands What were you saying about tin foil hats the other day? 😀 Quote
Moderators Zico Posted October 13, 2020 Moderators Posted October 13, 2020 41 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: He clearly states that the WHO don't believe in lockdowns. They would only advocate them in order to buy time to re group (you’d like to think we’ve had that with the 3 month lockdown in March) well, we certainly had the time, but fair to say it was not well spent I think the WHO are saying you can't keep opening and shutting in order to beat the virus - and if so I agree, it's no good for anyone I'm still of the opinion that our best chance, short and long term, is a circuit breaker lockdown, and then use that time to hammer home the message of what you can and can't do when it reopens, and that it will be a gradual approach to get back to things like gigs and football and also spend that time looking at a way to throw whatever resources we have available to ensure a stricter adeherance that we did before without that, I think both the economy and folks health are both going to take a battering for much longer than they need to Quote
Guest Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: He's busy trying to protect his job. Not alone in fairness, politicians of all persuasion trying to do popular/less 'bad thing rather than perhaps the right thing. I just think he is stupid. Quote
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted October 13, 2020 Members Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: I see Burnham now favours a short circuit closing everything down, yesterday moaning about closing bars in manchester, I’ll just ignore the tweezer eye brow twat from now on. Can’t we go back to mayors with chains just for show. I don't think he's being hypocritical. I expect businesses would be better placed to cope with a short, time limited circuit break than having to manage lengthy, ongoing restrictions and having to close at 22:00. Quote
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted October 13, 2020 Site Supporter Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, mickbrown said: What were you saying about tin foil hats the other day? 😀 This pandemic is getting to folk now. Gonzo has fallen down a conspiracy rabbit hole and Mounts head is going to explode due to our world beating test and trace. Add proper Brexit in January and it can only get worse. Quote
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 13, 2020 Site Supporter Posted October 13, 2020 36 minutes ago, boltondiver said: I just think he is stupid. Think that depends whether he is successful of not. Not sure exactly how beneficial these metro mayors are. Perhaps spend the money on local public health set ups. Quote
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 13, 2020 Site Supporter Posted October 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: I don't think he's being hypocritical. I expect businesses would be better placed to cope with a short, time limited circuit break than having to manage lengthy, ongoing restrictions and having to close at 22:00. Be interesting to see if that is the case. We see loads saying they can't cope with lack of business. I suppose I would also depend upon the success of a firebreak and what level of restrictions they still have after. Quote
jules_darby Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: I don't think he's being hypocritical. I expect businesses would be better placed to cope with a short, time limited circuit break than having to manage lengthy, ongoing restrictions and having to close at 22:00. That’s how I read it But then that’s trying to be sensible rather than with a pre-determined political slant 🤷🏽♂️ I have just googled Newburgh & Parbold though. Never heard of either before, so learnt 2 new places today 😃 Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Think that depends whether he is successful of not. Not sure exactly how beneficial these metro mayors are. Perhaps spend the money on local public health set ups. I’d spend the money on more lollipop people, much better use of money. Quote
birch-chorley Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, jules_darby said: That’s how I read it But then that’s trying to be sensible rather than with a pre-determined political slant 🤷🏽♂️ I have just googled Newburgh & Parbold though. Never heard of either before, so learnt 2 new places today 😃 @peelyfeetis from Newburgh I went to Primary School in Parbold (next village along) Quote
peelyfeet Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: @peelyfeetis from Newburgh I went to Primary School in Parbold (next village along) Did you live in parbold, or hilldale/ Mawdesley way. I played football for Newburgh, parbold hilldale, and cricket for Mawdesley, in the 80s and 90s Quote
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted October 13, 2020 Site Supporter Posted October 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: @peelyfeetis from Newburgh I went to Primary School in Parbold (next village along) It's nice round there. Used to camp at the Scout site in Newburgh. Pity it's Wigan though 😉 Quote
Escobarp Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 20 minutes ago, Winchester White said: It's nice round there. Used to camp at the Scout site in Newburgh. Pity it's Wigan though 😉 So peelys a pie eating cunt is that what you’re telling me? Quote
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