Slow news day? The real deal? End of the world? 
 

They’re saying it probably came from an animal, has Somebody been shagging monkeys again? 

1 minute ago, Casino said:

Monitoring is watching somebody for 10 to 15 minutes

It might not be as simple as the flu jab in that consents need to be signed, but its not beyond the wit of man to sort it

My numbers are very achievable

You know more about this than most.

Should the government have already enlisted and trained enough people to deliver 1-2 million doses a week?

Dunkirk springs to mind. Whatever it takes.

17 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

 Because if they had ordered 500k a week people would have asked why not 2m. If the answer had been we don’t have enough people to do 2m we would still be here where we are right  this very second. 

So we now need using the numbers above to build facilities to store 1.5 m vaccines a week. My question is why would we not have enough people ? Any project plan it is the first thing you look at. 
 

3 minutes ago, Casino said:

Monitoring is watching somebody for 10 to 15 minutes

It might not be as simple as the flu jab in that consents need to be signed, but its not beyond the wit of man to sort it

My numbers are very achievable

If each person has to be monitored for 10 minutes, then they soon start filling the building. You can thrust needles into people much faster than you can clear your backlog.

By your maths, one person jabbed in less than 2 minutes.

After 10 minutes you've got 5 waiting, with the first one about to leave.

Assuming more than one person doing the jabs, that increases the numbers again. All of whom must he socially distanced. 

This backlog also needs people to actually monitor them doesnt it? Someone trained to spot issues and act accordingly. 

Far from simple.

People to listen to on vaccines;

@Casino

@kent_white

 

anyone else?

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

If each person has to be monitored for 10 minutes, then they soon start filling the building. You can thrust needles into people much faster than you can clear your backlog.

By your maths, one person jabbed in less than 2 minutes.

After 10 minutes you've got 5 waiting, with the first one about to leave.

Assuming more than one person doing the jabs, that increases the numbers again. All of whom must he socially distanced. 

This backlog also needs people to actually monitor them doesnt it? Someone trained to spot issues and act accordingly. 

Far from simple.

I've said it before and there may well be good reasons not to use them but...  sports halls. Stood empty everywhere. Surely perfect for the job? Big open spaces. Accessible. Normally with lots of parking.

19 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Correct, some people seem to think there will be queues of people lining up, and a nurse will be able to chunk through about 100 an hour. Somebody on LBC this morning reckoned on average, about 6 an hour is what we'll be looking at.

There is also the logistical nightmare of getting these "vulnerable" people to the vaccine as well.

It'll come good eventually, but it'll take quite a bit of time, we'll be T4 until Feb, possibly March and then we might start to see an easing, and even then it'll be slow and steady

If the number is 6 or 100. We will need a certain number of people to administer the jab. 
 

And centres that people can queue up and recover in. 

All of which are part of the logistical challenge. All of which should be be built into a plan. If we do not know how many we can administer in a day and at what locations wtf have we been doing for last 9 months ? 
 

Does anyone think it would be acceptable for us to have 2m a week delivered and only 1m used? So after 12 weeks we have 12 m sat on the shelves ? 

7 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

People to listen to on vaccines;

@Casino

@kent_white

 

anyone else?

JVT said it would be inexcusable not to be using the vaccine as soon as it was delivered. Assume ok to take his views on board. 
 

My points are project management not virus or vaccine specific. 

4 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

All these Botox injector bods could be drafted in as Vaxxers, I'm assuming no Botox in tier 4 💉

 

I wouldn't trust some of them to inject me with filler, never mind a vaccination. 

15 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

People to listen to on vaccines;

@Casino

@kent_white

 

anyone else?

@bill Gates

9 minutes ago, Ani said:

JVT said it would be inexcusable not to be using the vaccine as soon as it was delivered. Assume ok to take his views on board. 
 

My points are project management not virus or vaccine specific. 

Exactly

For learning on how to do this, speak to the blokes from Toyota

Its lean manufacturing

Are we allowed to question if the nhs is fit for purpose or if this situation re vaccines is now just highlighting that it’s completely broken?

keep the political replies away as well please it’s just a general question I don’t wish to get into they why’s etc. 

im thinking of it that my mum has been waiting for over 18months for nhs treatment which wasn’t/isn’t forthcoming any time soon. This was pre and during Covid. Something somewhere must be wrong. 

Edited January 4, 20215 yr by Escobarp

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Are we allowed to question if the nhs is fit for purpose or if this situation re vaccines is now just highlighting that it’s completely broken?

keep the political replies away as well please it’s just a general question I don’t wish to get into they why’s etc. 

Obvs we need to know how many vaccines we can have but fwiw, I'd not have the NHS doing this

Looks perfect for the army

After theyve enforced the covid rules in supermarkets, on the streets and manned the nightingales

 

1 hour ago, Ani said:

Stop being a clever cunt. What do you disagree with ? 
 

If we are getting 2m vaccines a week we should be resourced up to administer 2m vaccines a week. If we are not it is a major fuck up. This has not just landed we have been talking vaccines for months. 
 

I have no idea because it is not my job. 

Your maths. They take nothing into account, hence why they are a bit back of fag packet, and then you lob in stuff like get some random people to start vaccinating.

So if its not your job, perhaps its not massively helpful suggesting solutions to which you don't know the full extent of the issues faced? Just an observation, like.

 

42 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

People to listen to on vaccines;

@Casino

@kent_white

 

anyone else?

Yup, I'd agree on that, if you don't really know, perhaps sticking the oar in isn't hugely helpful. Even from a 'project management position. You won't offer solutions if you were not privy to the full extent of the situation. Everything else is guesswork and supposition.

1 minute ago, Casino said:

Obvs we need to know how many vaccines we can have but fwiw, I'd not have the NHS doing this

Looks perfect for the army

After theyve enforced the covid rules in supermarkets, on the streets and manned the nightingales

 

Joking aside got to be a case for the armed forces to be called in to assist with this.  
 

given the police are doing fuck all I would get them involved as well 

all hands to the pump 

do you think there is merit in questioning if the NHS is fit for purpose any longer? We love it because it’s free  

 

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Your maths. They take nothing into account, hence why they are a bit back of fag packet, and then you lob in stuff like get some random people to start vaccinating.

So if its not your job, perhaps its not massively helpful suggesting solutions to which you don't know the full extent of the issues faced? Just an observation, like.

 

Fwiw, ani is bob on, imo

This vaccine hasn't come as a surprise to anybody

6 minutes ago, Casino said:

Obvs we need to know how many vaccines we can have but fwiw, I'd not have the NHS doing this

Looks perfect for the army

After theyve enforced the covid rules in supermarkets, on the streets and manned the nightingales

 

All military leave would have to be cancelled for that to happen though... 

A vaccine needing to be given to tens of millions of Brits seems to have caught the government by surprise

I'm pretty sure it shouldn't have

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Joking aside got to be a case for the armed forces to be called in to assist with this.  
 

given the police are doing fuck all I would get them involved as well 

all hands to the pump 

do you think there is merit in questioning if the NHS is fit for purpose any longer? We love it because it’s free  

 

Theres others better qualified that I could ask but she would probably go on for days about her frustrations

Tbh, these are extreme times but if we are not ready to go on this, heads should be rolling...ministers, senior managers?

Who knows

Without getting political, I do think there have been signs that the govt have been reluctant to take on board outside expertise, showing a we know better attitude

I dont think they do

 

8 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Your maths. They take nothing into account, hence why they are a bit back of fag packet, and then you lob in stuff like get some random people to start vaccinating.

So if its not your job, perhaps its not massively helpful suggesting solutions to which you don't know the full extent of the issues faced? Just an observation, like.

 

Here is the sum total of my maths. We have 2m vaccines available. We should be in a position to administer them. I am not privy to does that mean 20k people or 200k. 
 

I never said random people. If we need 200k people these should be ready and have been trained over last 6 months. 

How many vaccines do you think we should be aiming to vaccinate per week  ? 

 

Just now, Casino said:

Theres others better qualified that I could ask but she would probably go on for days about her frustrations

Tbh, these are extreme times but if we are not ready to go on this, heads should be rolling...ministers, senior managers?

Who knows

Without getting political, I do think there have been signs that the govt have been reluctant to take on board outside expertise, showing a we know better attitude

I dont think they do

 

I think if this inability to move quickly is being led by the government then heads should roll at all levels.  Likewise is this is down to the nhs then these people should be collecting JSA very shortly.

Definitely

Fwiw, I dont think finding enough suitable staff will be an issue

Somebody who knows what a useless twat am I says I could do it

1 minute ago, Casino said:

Definitely

Fwiw, I dont think finding enough suitable staff will be an issue

Somebody who knows what a useless twat am I says I could do it

Yes but in modern society imagine if something went wrong as it was somebody made to do it rather than a gp? lawsuits would take years to clear. Sadly it’s where we are in the world nowadays. 

20 minutes ago, Casino said:

Fwiw, ani is bob on, imo

This vaccine hasn't come as a surprise to anybody

I'm not saying it has, much like the school closures, I just think its a bit over simplistic without any real solutions, has he himself admitted.

14 minutes ago, Ani said:

Here is the sum total of my maths. We have 2m vaccines available. We should be in a position to administer them. I am not privy to does that mean 20k people or 200k. 
 

I never said random people. If we need 200k people these should be ready and have been trained over last 6 months. 

How many vaccines do you think we should be aiming to vaccinate per week  ? 

 

OK training, we're from? Who with? Overseen by whom? I just think its a massive simplification of a bigger issue in my humble opinion, and like most on here - its not my world, so I'd rather leave it to the people who know rather than stabs in the dark which I just think is not hugely helpful.