Slow news day? The real deal? End of the world? 
 

They’re saying it probably came from an animal, has Somebody been shagging monkeys again? 

50 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It might result in more non-essential workplaces closing. During the first lockdown train carraiges were practically empty. That certainly isn't the case under Tier 4 (in my experience).

Fair enough, I have to say our station (zone 4) ferries empty trains back and forth all day long at the moment.

46 minutes ago, kent_white said:

The numbers all sound great until you start actually putting patients in. The vast majority are 75+. I reckon a good third of them won't be able to make it into surgery or are house bound so will need home visits. 

Of the ones who can make it in - a lot will say they can't make the appointment. And a lot won't have a valid phone number when you try to ring them. Some will forget that they had an appointment  altogether. Most of the work is going to be in the back office actually trying to get people in. 

People will be turning up on the working day/early/late. You'll need people shepherding and stewards for when people arrive.

Providing you've absolutely nothing else to do (pre safety checks/paperwork/aftercare/answering questions etc) you could probably do max 12 an hour as a nurse. Giving you time to sanitise the area afterwards. If you need to draw up the solution I reckon you're looking at 10 min appointments.  

The holding area will need a clinician in the very unlikely event that someone has a reaction. 

It sounds easy but believe me there's a lot more goes into a big health event like that than you might realise. 

IMHO the only way we'll get this out enough masse is by training non clinicians to do the jab and the nurses and Dr's overseeing in case anything goes wrong. 

And remember all this is on top of our usual jobs which haven't stopped.

 

 

 

Kent I agree with you whole heartily , but has Ani as pointed out its been known since June that this was going to happened , someone as had 7 and a bit mouths to formulate a plan, with every contingence they can think of thrown in, it just looks like they looked at it on Christmas Eve and thought oh fuck

Just now, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I think in jockdown they're only allowed to meet two people from two different households outside

I think Boris might impose no outdoor mixing of households whatsoever

He might, but that was my point; arguably our mixing limits are stricter in tier 4 than Scotland has been or will be.

Not really sure it makes a great deal of difference, with such subtle differences. 

8 minutes ago, L/H White said:

lets see if we do it right this time

Hopefully. But since it's been pretty much too little too late at every turn, I'll not hold my breath.

1 minute ago, tyldesley_white said:

Kent I agree with you whole heartily , but has Ani as pointed out its been known since June that this was going to happened , someone as had 7 and a bit mouths to formulate a plan, with every contingence they can think of thrown in, it just looks like they looked at it on Christmas Eve and thought oh fuck

That seems to be Boris 

When a decision has to be made between A, B and C he bottles it. Probably relies on him reading something

Waits till A and B are ruled out then C is the only option, so decision made 

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

He might, but that was my point; arguably our mixing limits are stricter in tier 4 than Scotland has been or will be.

Not really sure it makes a great deal of difference, with such subtle differences. 

Aye, I was agreeing

1 minute ago, tyldesley_white said:

Kent I agree with you whole heartily , but has Ani as pointed out its been known since June that this was going to happened , someone as had 7 and a bit mouths to formulate a plan, with every contingence they can think of thrown in, it just looks like they looked at it on Christmas Eve and thought oh fuck

Why does it?

Just a bunch of folk making assumptions without any facts.

We dont know how many people are available for doing the vaccines at the moment, nor how many more are being taken on.

Until the vaccines are arriving and being used, we don't know how effective the process is.

 

• Nicola Sturgeon says the current expectation is that by early May everyone over 50, and people under 50 with specific underlying conditions, will have received at least their first dose of Covid vaccine

Not sure if that has any bearing on down south but it’s a million miles away from even where she herself said we would be only a week or two ago. Something has changed behind the scenes and we’ve no Idea what. 

16 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Euros are gonna get potted at this rate 

no way they're going ahead with fans in the ground anyway

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Why does it?

Just a bunch of folk making assumptions without any facts.

We dont know how many people are available for doing the vaccines at the moment, nor how many more are being taken on.

Until the vaccines are arriving and being used, we don't know how effective the process is.

 

That's the point.

We should by now. Not like we ain't been working towards a vaccine to get us out of this all year is it?

4 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said:

Kent I agree with you whole heartily , but has Ani as pointed out its been known since June that this was going to happened , someone as had 7 and a bit mouths to formulate a plan, with every contingence they can think of thrown in, it just looks like they looked at it on Christmas Eve and thought oh fuck

I like it how weve know since June. Of course we have, but that doesn't allow for all the other jobs that still needed doing on top of training or as Kent says, those who are still house bound or just simply getting them in.

Ani's plan is an ideal of those who don't have to deal with the actuality of the situation, and as I say just fuels anger and frustration in the wrong direction in my opinion.

Thankfully, all this you should do this-ism is just vapid conjecture on a football forum. This post very much included!

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

• Nicola Sturgeon says the current expectation is that by early May everyone over 50, and people under 50 with specific underlying conditions, will have received at least their first dose of Covid vaccine

Not sure if that has any bearing on down south but it’s a million miles away from even where she herself said we would be only a week or two ago. Something has changed behind the scenes and we’ve no Idea what. 

Further away or closer?

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

• Nicola Sturgeon says the current expectation is that by early May everyone over 50, and people under 50 with specific underlying conditions, will have received at least their first dose of Covid vaccine

Not sure if that has any bearing on down south but it’s a million miles away from even where she herself said we would be only a week or two ago. Something has changed behind the scenes and we’ve no Idea what. 

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1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

I like it how weve know since June. Of course we have, but that doesn't allow for all the other jobs that still needed doing on top of training or as Kent says, those who are still house bound or just simply getting them in.

Ani's plan is an ideal of those who don't have to deal with the actuality of the situation, and as I say just fuels anger and frustration in the wrong direction in my opinion.

Thankfully, all this you should do this-ism is just vapid conjecture on a football forum. This post very much included!

We managed to give 15 million flu jabs in 2019.

15 million covid vaccines and we're well on the way,

It's not like we don't know what we're doing.

4 minutes ago, Sweep said:

no way they're going ahead with fans in the ground anyway

It’s the fact that the need all major leagues to finish by the middlish of may

8 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I like it how weve know since June. Of course we have, but that doesn't allow for all the other jobs that still needed doing on top of training or as Kent says, those who are still house bound or just simply getting them in.

Ani's plan is an ideal of those who don't have to deal with the actuality of the situation, and as I say just fuels anger and frustration in the wrong direction in my opinion.

Thankfully, all this you should do this-ism is just vapid conjecture on a football forum. This post very much included!

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1 minute ago, mickbrown said:

That's the point.

We should by now. Not like we ain't been working towards a vaccine to get us out of this all year is it?

Why should we?

Ffs, getting ridiculous now. How many should there be Mick?

Do you know?

So long as there is enough to do the job and meet the targets that's all that matters.

People just making assumptions that there aren't enough, but with no evidence whatsoever.

Is there enough people working at astra zeneca to manufacture enough vaccine?

How many should there be?

Why isn't there more capacity than currently?

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Why should we?

Ffs, getting ridiculous now. How many should there be Mick?

Do you know?

So long as there is enough to do the job and meet the targets that's all that matters.

People just making assumptions that there aren't enough, but with no evidence whatsoever.

Is there enough people working at astra zeneca to manufacture enough vaccine?

How many should there be?

Why isn't there more capacity than currently?

The answer is

Boris is wrong

Now, what’s the question?

5 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

We managed to give 15 million flu jabs in 2019.

15 million covid vaccines and we're well on the way,

It's not like we don't know what we're doing.

Over what period of time though? I've never had a flu vaccine so don't know

Plus can a body have the flu vaccine and corona at the same time?

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Why should we?

Ffs, getting ridiculous now. How many should there be Mick?

Do you know?

So long as there is enough to do the job and meet the targets that's all that matters.

People just making assumptions that there aren't enough, but with no evidence whatsoever.

Is there enough people working at astra zeneca to manufacture enough vaccine?

How many should there be?

Why isn't there more capacity than currently?

Welll fucking tell us that then.

What are the targets? Do we even know?

Other than we'll get to you when we can?

1 minute ago, DirtySanchez said:

Over what period of time though? I've never had a flu vaccine so don't know

Plus can a body have the flu vaccine and corona at the same time?

Iirc, I think there is supposed to be a gap between the jabs. Can't remember how long though. 

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

The answer is

Boris is wrong

Now, what’s the question?

The answer is

Bend over Boris and spread em.

Always

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Iirc, I think there is supposed to be a gap between the jabs. Can't remember how long though. 

If so, its not as simple as saying we vaccinated 15m with the flu jab so covid is a formality

1 minute ago, mickbrown said:

Welll fucking tell us that then.

What are the targets? Do we even know?

Other than we'll get to you when we can?

Why should everyone be told?

Do we get told how many nurses are around to give the flu vaccines each year?

Do we get told how many cancer doctors there are etc..

Specific numbers aren't directly relevant- so long as they can match supply and meet targets, and get us done when called thats all that matters. 

 

4 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

Over what period of time though? I've never had a flu vaccine so don't know

Plus can a body have the flu vaccine and corona at the same time?

Dunno. To both.

But the point is that's done as a matter of business as usual. Without pulling out the stops.