Slow news day? The real deal? End of the world? 
 

They’re saying it probably came from an animal, has Somebody been shagging monkeys again? 

21 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Negotiating the best terms with all parties

Will be busy today as well advising guardiola 

55 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

111 is a joke. I heard they were putting more people into it, but that might just mitigate the inadequate numbers in it currently.

Bloke who works for me. Wife and kids just come back from Italy. Phones 111 and details where they’ve been and is told everything fine just look out for any symptoms. To be on the safe side, as he visits hospitals every day, he emails the bloke at head office who’s been advising on Coronavirus, as he doesn’t want to risk picking up the virus from his family. Don’t think I’ve ever seen a funnier work email thread. He virtually exploded and his criticism of 111 was damning

1 minute ago, MancWanderer said:

Bloke who works for me. Wife and kids just come back from Italy. Phones 111 and details where they’ve been and is told everything fine just look out for any symptoms. To be on the safe side, as he visits hospitals every day, he emails the bloke at head office who’s been advising on Coronavirus, as he doesn’t want to risk picking up the virus from his family. Don’t think I’ve ever seen a funnier work email thread. He virtually exploded and his criticism of 111 was damning

When I had that suspected kidney stone, I waited 40 minutes on hold for someone to answer. A few details later, and was told a medical person would call me back. 2 hours later someone did. Told me to go to a and e.

It's no wonder folk just go straight there.

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

When I had that suspected kidney stone, I waited 40 minutes on hold for someone to answer. A few details later, and was told a medical person would call me back. 2 hours later someone did. Told me to go to a and e.

It's no wonder folk just go straight there.

Classic thing of “best intentions” and all that but it doesn’t really work 

 

When my husband was lay on floor with kidney stone (and believe me you are totally 

incapacitated)

999 and 111 were worse than useless

they expected me to lift a probe 14 stone guy and put him back n a car and drive him to hospital 

2 hrs to get an ambulance that is less than 10 mins away

in same token 

traffic accident outside my house ... Seriously drunk driver...

and police didn’t have a breatherlizer

ambulance 40 mins .. children involved

in fairness paramedics on the ball but sat in my house for 30 mins filling in details & forms And drinking tea

in totally honesty wasn’t impressed 

I could have had 2 under 12s In my house with serious injuries

 

 

So they can send ambulance to get your husband who while in pain isnt on the edge of death or to a car crash

Its called lack of ambulance capacity and prioritisation

 

Doesnt mean 111 isnt a complete waste of time, mind

 

Your missing the point

a kidney stone can kill you

when you’ve had a history of kidney stones it’s easy to spot the symptoms /pain

Unfortunately you have no idea when or how the are building and you cannot control when the “kill point” will be

you can change your diet / lifestyle but if your body produces them , the chances are it always will

so it in answer to your question

 yes an ambulance and immediate treatment is required

 

So, youre at ambulance control

Where do YOU send the ambulance

Kidney stone or car crash

And just fir the record it’s not something you can self diagnose 

ie I’ve put on three pounds this week 

more I’ve got a 1mm kidney stone 

or a 5 mm kidney stone

it just builds until your body can’t deal with it anymore 

 

 

Casino

i understand

my husband lying prone on the floor 

or my grandkids in a car crash

obviously I go for my grandkids

but I’m stupefied my the amount of time firm filling With innocuous questions 

imo

if the nhs actually got its house in order it would be great but the red tape and forms because of the “ambulance chasers” is becoming a farce

i have faith in our nhs Because it should wirk

and should protect the vulnerable

but the pen pushers and admin bollocks drives me insane

 If the nhs was run by true business people who had run their own business and understand the logistics , costs, employees, it wouldn’t be in the mess it’s in

 

 

8 minutes ago, Mona said:

Casino

i understand

my husband lying prone on the floor 

or my grandkids in a car crash

obviously I go for my grandkids

but I’m stupefied my the amount of time firm filling With innocuous questions 

imo

if the nhs actually got its house in order it would be great but the red tape and forms because of the “ambulance chasers” is becoming a farce

i have faith in our nhs Because it should wirk

and should protect the vulnerable

but the pen pushers and admin bollocks drives me insane

 If the nhs was run by true business people who had run their own business and understand the logistics , costs, employees, it wouldn’t be in the mess it’s in

 

 

The NHS cannot ignore the shadowy presence of legal cunts waiting to pounce on any mistake.

Its a constant paper chase to ensure blame cannot be applied should anything go wrong.

They can’t win

Edited March 1, 20206 yr by Spider

I agree

but the litigation has been  raised not from the hard working staff but from the administrators 

I’ve  a lot of friends working within the nhs and they are scared, concerned and stressed because of the lack of upper management skills and experience, the total lack of organisation, over worked, underpaid, cheap foreign labour, lack of patient contact, more time spent filling in documentation and less time listening and helping the patient 

as my best mate says with 35 years nursing experience 

I am no longer a nurse , I’m a form filler

35% of her day is documetation

 In her words ( and she looks after the terminal patients ) how can I help them in to the next world when they are ignored in this

 

19 minutes ago, Mona said:

I agree

but the litigation has been  raised not from the hard working staff but from the administrators 

I’ve  a lot of friends working within the nhs and they are scared, concerned and stressed because of the lack of upper management skills and experience, the total lack of organisation, over worked, underpaid, cheap foreign labour, lack of patient contact, more time spent filling in documentation and less time listening and helping the patient 

as my best mate says with 35 years nursing experience 

I am no longer a nurse , I’m a form filler

35% of her day is documetation

 In her words ( and she looks after the terminal patients ) how can I help them in to the next world when they are ignored in this

 

Our resident nurse Kent, has said the same re form filling etc.

Mind you, he spends the rest of the time getting chinned on here and posting pics of peasant food such as tater ash

Nowt wrong with tater ash

especially made with corned beef 😀

5 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Our resident nurse Kent, has said the same re form filling etc.

Mind you, he spends the rest of the time getting chinned on here and posting pics of peasant food such as tater ash

That’s what I had for my tea last night. Had a choice of fillet steak or that believe it or not and thoroughly enjoyed my choice 

111 correctly diagnosed that I had pneumonia. Not always a waste of time. 

19 minutes ago, Mona said:

Nowt wrong with tater ash

especially made with corned beef 😀

 

16 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

That’s what I had for my tea last night. Had a choice of fillet steak or that believe it or not and thoroughly enjoyed my choice 

Stop it now you two, Leigh Blue will appear like Mr Benn, with his tales of lobby on the Delhi Express

11 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

111 correctly diagnosed that I had pneumonia. Not always a waste of time. 

I’ve found them helpful and useful

35 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I’ve found them helpful and useful

Major problem is insufficient numbers. They're there to take pressure of a&e etc, but it can take so long that folk will just go to the hospital anyway.

Not necessarily a reflection on their ability to advise. (Though my experience during my doolally time wasn't great).

53 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

111 correctly diagnosed that I had pneumonia. Not always a waste of time. 

They didn't diagnose mine. 
They said if I didn't feel better in a day or two to go to my GP.
I was in Lancaster Royal a day later.

8 minutes ago, Traf said:

They didn't diagnose mine. 
They said if I didn't feel better in a day or two to go to my GP.
I was in Lancaster Royal a day later.

We need Kent on this, I thought you needed someone listening to your chest to help give a confirmation on this. Presumably, 111 would only be able to make a presumption/possibility over the phone.

13 minutes ago, Traf said:

They didn't diagnose mine. 
They said if I didn't feel better in a day or two to go to my GP.
I was in Lancaster Royal a day later.

They probably just assumed you were a lost cause 

7 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

They probably just assumed you were a lost cause 

They were probably right, then.

22 minutes ago, Traf said:

They didn't diagnose mine. 
They said if I didn't feel better in a day or two to go to my GP.
I was in Lancaster Royal a day later.

Did they not tell you to man up? 

I've just been reading a document from the Global Health Index that rates countries by their ability to prevent, prepare for and respond to an outbreak like coronavirus. We are second overall in the world (behind the US). And encouragingly were top of the pile for 'rapid response to and mitigation of the spread of an epidemic (God bless the NHS).

You really don't want to live in Somalia though.