Slow news day? The real deal? End of the world? 
 

They’re saying it probably came from an animal, has Somebody been shagging monkeys again? 

Why don’t they just let it spread and let everybody’s immune system deal with it like we do the comon cold?

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

Why don’t they just let it spread and let everybody’s immune system deal with it like we do the comon cold?

Because nobody has immunity - so you'd have say a hundred thousand people within a week or two needing to be in a hospital bed - given around 18% of the cases are severe enough to need that. NHS would collapse. 

So by slowing it down you space out the strain on health systems. 

You also give scientists longer to try and find out more about it and develop a vaccine - which is a year away but slowing down the spread hopefully buys time. 

46 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Because nobody has immunity - so you'd have say a hundred thousand people within a week or two needing to be in a hospital bed - given around 18% of the cases are severe enough to need that. NHS would collapse. 

So by slowing it down you space out the strain on health systems. 

You also give scientists longer to try and find out more about it and develop a vaccine - which is a year away but slowing down the spread hopefully buys time. 

Are you a Professor of Communicable Diseases?

Or just good at Googling stuff?

25 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Are you a Professor of Communicable Diseases?

Or just good at Googling stuff?

It's right though. This comparison with flu is unhelpful, it's not a choice between one or the other, it's both.

It's a bit like some of ideas in war; injure and maim as much of the enemy and you put huge strain on their medical needs, facilities, personnel, financial resources etc.

As spider said yesterday, local hospital is bulging already, a shit load of cases of covid 19, and huge upheaval created, even if the large majority get better.

And there's the economic impact of loads of workers being unproductive in isolation at home.

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Why don’t they just let it spread and let everybody’s immune system deal with it like we do the comon cold?

Gonzo I’ve told you. It didn’t work for the clap it won’t work for this.

2 hours ago, Rudy’s Message said:

Gonzo I’ve told you. It didn’t work for the clap it won’t work for this.

“Can cranberry juice cure herpes”

I think the government should immediately suspend all football. This season expunged from the records and everyone starts again next season if the virus is under control by then. Its the only sensible thing to do....

#merseysidetears....

2 hours ago, Spider said:

Ta 

so flu does over half a million

Coronavirus has done about 3,000.

Media getting a touch giddy, no?

Seasonal Flu kills around 0.08% of those it infects, (UK, annually).

Covid-19 currently kills around 2 - 3.4%, with the potential for it to drop below 1% once we have a better idea of how many people have really been infected.

Seasonal flu has a transmissibilty rate (the average number of people that 1 person will pass the virus on to) of 1.3. Covid  appears to be more like 3.  

The flu vaccine and the ability of the health services to treat those with serious complications from flu, helps to keep the mortality rate relatively low.

There is no vaccine yet for Covid, and in some countries up to 10% of infected patients are presenting as serious enough to require Medical support.

Therefore in areas where the amount of patients presenting with serious complications exceeds the amount of ICU /respiratory support/oxygen beds/antibiotics to prevent sepsis - mortality rates will be higher than average, and vice versa

To summarise,  all the figures show that Covid is more easily passed on, makes a higher % of the infected seriously ill, and kills a higher % of the infected than seasonal flu.

Therefore the ability of preventative measures to reduce transmissibillity rates will be vital in reducing the mortality rate, by enabling the health services to treat more of those who require help, and providing  more time to develop a vaccine.

The best way of reducing transmisibility is isolation and quarantines, restricting travel, gatherings etc, plus higher personal hygiene standards. This is going to happen in various areas across the world, and we have no idea which areas yet. 

I expect that we aren't going to see the full impact of this virus until/unless it takes hold before a vaccine is created, in a very poor, large population.

India, Pakistan, South America and sub Saharan Africa are at great risk, the infection and death rates are going to grow there much faster than what we have seen so far

 

 

 

 

 

Sky a few minutes ago did an interview with an American fella whose company is quite close to creating a vaccine. He said they were confident in it. Obviously, a lot of testing etc to be done, but a bit of good news.

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Sky a few minutes ago did an interview with an American fella whose company is quite close to creating a vaccine. He said they were confident in it. Obviously, a lot of testing etc to be done, but a bit of good news.

Was it Elon Musk?

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Sky a few minutes ago did an interview with an American fella whose company is quite close to creating a vaccine. He said they were confident in it. Obviously, a lot of testing etc to be done, but a bit of good news.

Similar claims from labs in a few countries. All need to go through large scale clinical trials to determine effectiveness, side effects and safety. That's a fair few months even if they fastrack. Probably winter before they get approval at best. And into next year before any vaccine is ready to be produced in large quantities suitable for distribution. 

Be good in the meantime if someone discovered some sort of effective anti-viral that lessened the effects - that could be quicker and take some pressure off. 

7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Sky a few minutes ago did an interview with an American fella whose company is quite close to creating a vaccine. He said they were confident in it. Obviously, a lot of testing etc to be done, but a bit of good news.

16 weeks is the target

https://cepi.net/news_cepi/cepi-to-fund-three-programmes-to-develop-vaccines-against-the-novel-coronavirus-ncov-2019/

1 minute ago, peelyfeet said:

16 weeks is the target

https://cepi.net/news_cepi/cepi-to-fund-three-programmes-to-develop-vaccines-against-the-novel-coronavirus-ncov-2019/

.....for clinical testing to start

2 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

16 weeks is the target

https://cepi.net/news_cepi/cepi-to-fund-three-programmes-to-develop-vaccines-against-the-novel-coronavirus-ncov-2019/

Good stuff. Not sure which company the fella was from, but it fits in with the timeframe.

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Good stuff. Not sure which company the fella was from, but it fits in with the timeframe.

That's for start of usually 6 month clinical trial......even if fast-tracked we're over a year away from any vaccine (unless major corners get cut). 

3 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

That's for start of usually 6 month clinical trial......even if fast-tracked we're over a year away from any vaccine (unless major corners get cut). 

getting faster though, I hope they'll be able to do it in a few weeks in the not to distant future (before I'm retired would be ideal) 

First Brit has died on the Diamond Princess Ship in Japan, told you that cruising wasn't good for you

2 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said:

I think the government should immediately suspend all football. This season expunged from the records and everyone starts again next season if the virus is under control by then. Its the only sensible thing to do....

#merseysidetears....

Would you say large amounts of people assembling is a bad thing ?

 

Secondly, look at that company I mentioned last week re clinical trials.....NCYT is the name.

2 hours ago, peelyfeet said:

Seasonal Flu kills around 0.08% of those it infects, (UK, annually).

Covid-19 currently kills around 2 - 3.4%, with the potential for it to drop below 1% once we have a better idea of how many people have really been infected.

Seasonal flu has a transmissibilty rate (the average number of people that 1 person will pass the virus on to) of 1.3. Covid  appears to be more like 3.  

The flu vaccine and the ability of the health services to treat those with serious complications from flu, helps to keep the mortality rate relatively low.

There is no vaccine yet for Covid, and in some countries up to 10% of infected patients are presenting as serious enough to require Medical support.

Therefore in areas where the amount of patients presenting with serious complications exceeds the amount of ICU /respiratory support/oxygen beds/antibiotics to prevent sepsis - mortality rates will be higher than average, and vice versa

To summarise,  all the figures show that Covid is more easily passed on, makes a higher % of the infected seriously ill, and kills a higher % of the infected than seasonal flu.

Therefore the ability of preventative measures to reduce transmissibillity rates will be vital in reducing the mortality rate, by enabling the health services to treat more of those who require help, and providing  more time to develop a vaccine.

The best way of reducing transmisibility is isolation and quarantines, restricting travel, gatherings etc, plus higher personal hygiene standards. This is going to happen in various areas across the world, and we have no idea which areas yet. 

I expect that we aren't going to see the full impact of this virus until/unless it takes hold before a vaccine is created, in a very poor, large population.

India, Pakistan, South America and sub Saharan Africa are at great risk, the infection and death rates are going to grow there much faster than what we have seen so far

 

 

 

 

 

As life expectancy in those areas is lower, it might not have as great an effect?

4 hours ago, Widnes Two Hats said:

First Brit has died on the Diamond Princess Ship in Japan, told you that cruising wasn't good for you

Corona Virus or old age?

China doesn’t shut up shop for something that isn’t a huge risk 

Governments around the world all taking this very seriously, I’d imagine they have good reason 

I’m with e2e4

This is no accident 

I sense the shadowy input of the Rothschilds, Trump and various other Illuminati.

Its not about humans, it’s about money.

If you have enough tinfoil to make a robust hat... Its all because of 5g frequencies. 

Twitter is full of massive cunts. 

8 hours ago, Widnes Two Hats said:

First Brit has died on the Diamond Princess Ship in Japan, told you that cruising wasn't good for you

I have asked my man on board. Will report back forthwith.

It’s landed.

Dig out the face masks.

#CallingDustinHoffman