Next Manager

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Leyther_Matt said:

I fell for that one as well

Wankers eh. It’s only a matter of time though surely 

[TroySwoosh]

1 minute ago, Leyther_Matt said:

I fell for that one as well

 

#metoo

[Benny The Ball]

21 minutes ago, ProfessorWoland said:

 

I suspect they would have some kind of inkling or informal nod from an agent about how much it would cost to get his guy out of there.  If someone else has decided that's not enough, that could be the reason for the impasse. I wouldn't automatically blame FV for that, sometimes people smell an opportunity to inflate their prices and if they decide to walk away because of that I'd support them.

Hope there's an agreement to be reached though. I prefer to get someone in without any sentiment involved than bring Nolan on the strength of what he achieved here on the pitch. 

 

Am sure Evatts agent would have been involved in an initial off the record discussion. 

The thing is - he was the very person who when Evatt turned down a move to Fylde last year renegotiated the contract on Evatts behalf with Barrow and would have been fully aware of the Compensation clause that was inserted into his contract at the time. 

Cannot see how the price can be anything other than what the contract says it is ?

Accept you can try and negotiate it , but you dont enter into discussions if ultimately you are dependant on it being heavily discounted to secure a deal

Therefore cannot see how FV did not know the full asking price from the off and If a deal is not done in my opinion it reflects badly on FV 

 

 

[ProfessorWoland]

1 hour ago, Benny The Ball said:

Am sure Evatts agent would have been involved in an initial off the record discussion. 

The thing is - he was the very person who when Evatt turned down a move to Fylde last year renegotiated the contract on Evatts behalf with Barrow and would have been fully aware of the Compensation clause that was inserted into his contract at the time. 

Cannot see how the price can be anything other than what the contract says it is ?

Accept you can try and negotiate it , but you dont enter into discussions if ultimately you are dependant on it being heavily discounted to secure a deal

Therefore cannot see how FV did not know the full asking price from the off and If a deal is not done in my opinion it reflects badly on FV 

 

 

 

Maybe there's  2 amounts, the one where the evert and agent  keeps his loyalty bonus and the one where he has to ask to be released and in doing so forgoes a cheque.  Bwfc only want to pay the smaller of the two?

or maybe I don't know wtf I'm on about. No. Wait, it's the latter.

[Johnnyrotten]

5 hours ago, Farrelli said:

Yep, none of us know if he wants to come. But, if he does, then a deal will be negotiated.

If  he doesnt want to come he could save everyone a lot of faffing about and just tell us.  In other words, course he wants to come.  So he will, we just have to be patient.  It would be slightly different if we had a deadline.  Personally I dont care if it takes another 2 weeks as long as we get the best man possible.  

[Traf]

We can't buy any players, so FV should be able to source 250k

If it means Evatt comes and identifies 2 or 3 players we wouldn't have normally gone for and they do well, it'll be money well spent. If not, it's still less than Jason Lowe got paid last season.

[radcliffe white]

Our local journalist says things have taken a step forward the dispute is down to interpretation of clauses 

[Traf]

1 minute ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Our esteemed local journalist says things have taken a step forward the dispute is down to interpretation of clauses 

 

[Ratwhite]

15 minutes ago, Traf said:

 

made me chuckle

[Biggish Dave]

Evatt will be coming. We might be a basket case (hopefully have been a basket case) but we are the biggest club in L2 and if a transfer cap comes in levelling the playing field up even more, it’s a great move for an ambitious or decent manager.

I’ll be astounded if we appoint anyone other than Evatt from here

[Blondi]

I've just been reading a Barrow AFC forum, quite a lot of their fans think Evatt will be making a mistake joining us 🥱

But this poster's post is a cracking one and one well worth reading.

Re: Ian Evatt

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Post by Stephen Leonard » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:03 am

There is some very naive and ill thought out comments on here who obviously have no idea how football works.

Whether we are in the same league or not (or even if they were a league below us) Bolton will always be seen by 99.9% of people as a bigger club than Barrow and more importantly one which has far greater 'potential' to be higher and more successful in the future (it doesn't mean it will happen but it means it is more likely) - Ian Evatt (like most people who have had a career in professional sport and moved into coaching) is very ambitious and confident in his abilities (with good reason so far) and therefore will want to achieve more in football than Barrow can ultimately offer him in the long term - Bolton is a club with a great history who have fallen far in a short period of time - the challenge of turning round a club like that must be a massive lure for someone like Evatt and would be seen as a far bigger achievement in the long term than getting Barrow promoted.

For those who say that the pressure from Fans and owners at Bolton is far greater and the expectations mean he has to achieve instantly otherwise he might be sacked, I would say that this is actually a reason for Evatt to want to go -staying with Barrow is safe for him as this season he would probably not have any pressure from anyone - except himself! But he doesn't strike me as someone who wants to play safe.

Others have said a season with Barrow will help him develop as a football league manager and that is true in some senses but in others it is irrelevant as he is knows how to manage and coach and develop a squad/team (as he has proved here). Also being 'safe' at Barrow for a season wont help him develop

Of course he could stay at Barrow and manage to overachieve again and get us in the play offs of even promoted - but if you are looking at the odds of whether Bolton or Barrow would be challenging then anyone except the most optimistic Barrow fan would have to concede that Bolton (if run properly - which is key) would have more chance than us.

The truth is that it is almost certain (and seemingly accepted by most Barrow fans) than Evatt wouldn't be here for the 21/22 season (as people are saying one more season with us would help him) - and that would certainly help Barrow compete/survive in L2 for the coming season. But from Evatts point of view what does it achieve? At the moment he is the the 'star' name at this level of new young managers - he has achieved something amazing with a club that has struggled and most would never have thought would get back in the league. I don't think his reputation would ever be improved at Barrow unless he got us promoted to L1. Imagine he stays and Barrow finish a respectable 10th-13th in L2 (which i think we would all consider a good season) - suddenly he isn't the 'star' name anymore - he hasn't just achieved the impossible anymore, he has just 'done well'. Therefore his value to others may have fallen and he might not be the man people are looking for to push forward. Therefore the time for Evatt to move for his own sake is now (sadly for Barrow)

I note that people have mentioned Vic Halom as a warning sign that moving on after a good season with Barrow can be a massive failure and there is of course that risk - but I would counter by saying that Dave Bayliss and Darren Sheridan stayed after the Trophy win in 2010 when they had chances to go higher - and look what happened to them both at Barrow and in their future managerial careers! If they had gone into a higher league at that point who knows where they would be now (and that's the beauty of hindsight - you can pick you examples to suit your agenda)

Personally I think Evatt probably needs to go sooner rather than later - not because I don't think he is the best manager for Barrow at the moment (because I believe he is) - but because he will be going and I would say it is better to go now before we start building for L2 - and let someone else come in and build the squad their way. For Evatt the timing now is better as his reputation is high. Overall a quicker exit means the uncertainty ends.

Also as well as Evatts reputation being high at the moment, so is Barrows! The way we have conducted ourselves on and off the pitch over the last few months has won the club many friends and good recognition. Therefore the list of people wanting to manage us may well be of a higher caliber now than it would be in a years time after a season in L2. There are other good managers out there who would see taking on Barrow back in the EFL after 48 years as a big challenge . I also think the way they are handling this issue publicly is very good as they are sticking to their guns and not getting involved in public arguments - just stating the facts, behind the scenes I am sure a lot more is happening but that's the nature of football.

I don't blame Evatt for wanting to better his career - and I don't see that making the move now will be any more risky than doing it in a years time. Whether Bolton are the right club will depend on what they say to him about their plans and structure but if he believes that the new owners do want to make the club rise again then it must be a massive lure for him. If he goes there or anywhere else I think most Barrow fans will (after the initial disappointment) understand his reasons and thank him for what he helped the club achieve.

[Spider]

We have about 5 players don’t we?

We have a big stadium and the biggest crowds in the division, but that doesn’t suddenly mean we have a squad of decent players.

He’s obviously going to be our manager, but let’s remember what a Herculean task awaits this club.

[Carlos]

Made up with Evatt if we can cut a deal, he’s class, but Barrow fans need to be realistic. He’s done a remarkable job to take a non-league club into League Two, it’d be a massive step up for him. I’d expect him to bring some of the players with him on the basis they are all from round here.

Edited June 26, 2020 by Carlos

[radcliffe white]

If this wage cap comes in then the managers job is made much easier 

When bolton coming knocking players won’t be looking elsewhere in our league 

[Leyther_Matt]

9 minutes ago, Carlos said:

Made up with Evatt if we can cut a deal, he’s class, but Barrow fans need to be realistic. He’s done a remarkable job to take a non-league club into League Two, it’d be a massive step up for him. I’d expect him to bring some of the players with him on the basis they are all from round here.

Depends how many are under contract given our inability to pay a transfer fee. 

[snowball]

15 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Depends how many are under contract given our inability to pay a transfer fee. 

yeah you said that last time. any players who are not under contract ok? 

encouraged by Carlos he knows more about non league than me.

and benny whats your beef with FV. hope you give credit where its due if Lovatt is appointed 

[Duck Egg]

34 minutes ago, Spider said:

We have about 5 players don’t we?

We have a big stadium and the 2nd biggest crowds in the division, but that doesn’t suddenly mean we have a squad of decent players.

He’s obviously going to be our manager, but let’s remember what a Herculean task awaits this club.

 

[Blondi]

25 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Depends how many are under contract given our inability to pay a transfer fee. 

Barrow's best player is their striker Scott Quigley, but he's still under contract for a season or two, so he isn't coming.

But, they have some decent players who I think are on frees soon, John Rooney (Wayne's brother) an attacking midfielder, Lewis Hardcastle, young box to box midfielder and finally Josh Kay who also plays in midfield.

Edited June 26, 2020 by Blondi

[Spider]

5 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

 

Forgot about bratferd

 

[Rudy]

5 minutes ago, Blondi said:

Barrow's best player is their striker Scott Quigley, but he's still under contract for a season or two, so he isn't coming.

But, they have some decent players who I think are on frees soon, John Rooney (Wayne's brother) an attacking midfielder, Lewis Hardcastle, young box to box midfielder and finally Josh Kay who also plays in midfield.

Has he knocked boxing on the head then?

[H]

1 hour ago, Blondi said:

I've just been reading a Barrow AFC forum, quite a lot of their fans think Evatt will be making a mistake joining us 🥱

But this poster's post is a cracking one and one well worth reading.

Re: Ian Evatt

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Post by Stephen Leonard » Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:03 am

There is some very naive and ill thought out comments on here

Excellent post. Mr Leonard wouldn't last 5 mins on W/ways with logic like that.

[Leyther_Matt]

25 minutes ago, snowball said:

yeah you said that last time. any players who are not under contract ok? 

encouraged by Carlos he knows more about non league than me.

and benny whats your beef with FV. hope you give credit where its due if Lovatt is appointed 

And it’s no less valid than last time. Barrow aren’t daft, they knew early in 2020 that they were likely to be going up - albeit achieves a little later and less conventionally than they expected - and had long since started tying players down by then.

Hardcastle, for example, signed a contract in February to take him until the summer of 2021 so that’s one down. And he’s not even the best footballer in his household 🙂  

(Rooney is under contract until next summer as well and Quigley has two years left on his contract having had a year already. No idea how they were dishing out three year deals in the Conference but there you go! I expect they’d have had Football League release clauses but obviously they’re void now)

[Blondi]

25 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Has he knocked boxing on the head then?

Are you not thinking about Scott Quigg?

[Leyther_Matt]

26 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Has he knocked boxing on the head then?

It was their Jez who got knocked on the head, wasn’t it?

[Clarence Carter]

28 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Has he knocked boxing on the head then?

You're thinking of his brother Jason, the middleweight.