They have loved our demise now the boot is on the other foot; HA HA HA

Edited February 17, 20215 yr by Casino

2 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

The rules specify going in to admin before the four Thursday in March rather than a certain point of the season. Obviously they didn’t envisage the season extending in to July but if they get one of those lawyers who are experts at loopholes with speeding tickets etc and they might be on to summat. 

And Barnsley drop in? 

12.3.2 If a Group Undertaking of a Club becomes subject to or suffers an Insolvency Event, then the Board shall have the power to impose upon the Club a deduction of 12 points scored or to be scored in the League Competition.

 

12.3.3 Subject to the provisions of Regulation 12.3.4 below, where the Club becomes subject to or suffers an Insolvency Event, or the Board impose a deduction in accordance with Regulation 12.3.2:

(a) during the Normal Playing Season but prior to 5.00pm on the fourth Thursday in March, the points deduction shall apply immediately;

(b) during the Normal Playing Season but after 5.00pm on the fourth Thursday in March, Regulation 12.3.4 shall apply; and

(c) outside the Normal Playing Season, the points deduction shall apply in respect of the following Season such that the Club starts that Season on minus 12 points (including in the National League if appropriate).

12.3.4 Where the circumstances set out in Regulation 12.3.3(b) apply and at the end of that Season, having regard to the number of championship points awarded (ignoring any potential deduction):

(a) the Club would be relegated in accordance with Regulation 10.1.2(b) or 7.7, the points deduction will apply in the next following Season (including in the National League if appropriate); or

(b) the Club would not be relegated as aforesaid, the points deduction will apply in that Season and Regulation 10.1.2(b) or 7.7 will then apply (if appropriate) following imposition of the points deduction.

12.3.5 For the avoidance of doubt, where a Club and/or Group Undertaking is subject to more than one of the procedures in Regulation 12.3.1 above during a process of compromising creditors (for example Administration followed by a Company Voluntary Arrangement), the Club shall only be deducted one set of 12 points, such deduction to apply with effect from the first Insolvency Event.

Massive can er worms down Barnsley way if there is even a sniff of this being overturned 

I never noticed a Wigan rivalry till about 86 when they decided to have a go back at us.

ive cut a couple of unneccessaries out, but it looks like for once, the league have their ducks in order

Wiganmatt is clutching at non existent straws

In this case the 4th thursday is an irrelevance in any potential defence

Edited July 23, 20206 yr by Casino

1 minute ago, Casino said:

ive cut a couple of unneccessaries out, but it looks like for once, the league have their ducks in order

Wiganmatt is clutching at non existent straws

In this case the 4th thursday is an irrelevance in any potential defence

It will be with the aim of taking the -12 next season rather than this one so might be kicking the can down the road to an extent, but the fact it refers specifically to March and not x point in the season surely means by pure pedantry that they have a case? 

basically, it happened during the normal season and as it would relegate them, its applied in the current season if it will relegate

If not, its the next season

Pull the chain 

 

1 minute ago, Casino said:

basically, it happened during the normal season and as it would relegate them, its applied in the current season if it will relegate

If not, its the next season

Pull the chain 

 

Quite possibly then, but if they think they’ve got even a minor case then they’re going to give it a go, aren’t they?

Edited July 23, 20206 yr by Leyther_Matt

1 minute ago, Leyther_Matt said:

It will be with the aim of taking the -12 next season rather than this one so might be kicking the can down the road to an extent, but the fact it refers specifically to March and not x point in the season surely means by pure pedantry that they have a case? 

no

If its pre 4th thursdy, its done in that season

No questions asked

If its after 4th thursday, its current season if it relegates, next if it doesnt or if youre down anyway

26 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

The rules specify going in to admin before the four Thursday in March rather than a certain point of the season. Obviously they didn’t envisage the season extending in to July but if they get one of those lawyers who are experts at loopholes with speeding tickets etc and they might be on to summat. 

If they won the appeal on that basis wouldn't it mean that they get -12 next season instead?

1 minute ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Quite possibly then, but if they think they’ve got even a minor case then they’re going to give it a go, aren’t they?

it looks like they intend to, but at 500k??

Somebody needs to fund it

Who would decide, krasner who reckons theyve no chance?

Biggish, do you know?

Just now, Casino said:

it looks like they intend to, but at 500k??

Somebody needs to fund it

Who would decide, krasner who reckons theyve no chance?

Biggish, do you know?

As it’s an operational cost, the admin would make the final call wouldn’t they?

 

1 minute ago, tkonion said:

If they won the appeal on that basis wouldn't it mean that they get -12 next season instead?

Yes which I think they’d be quite happy with to at least get another crack at it, especially as you’d fancy Wycombe to struggle 

Normal season. All the verbage messes with the head, but presumably this phrase means they are justified in doing it now as its not a normal season.

But what the he'll, we've got evatt and something to look forward to. 

1 minute ago, Mr Grey said:

Straightforward as fuck, cunts are down 👍

not sure if youre joking,  but it is straightforward

Its wordy, as it needs to be, but its all covered

Surprisingly

 

11 minutes ago, Casino said:

12.3.2 If a Group Undertaking of a Club becomes subject to or suffers an Insolvency Event, then the Board shall have the power to impose upon the Club a deduction of 12 points scored or to be scored in the League Competition.

 

12.3.3 Subject to the provisions of Regulation 12.3.4 below, where the Club becomes subject to or suffers an Insolvency Event, or the Board impose a deduction in accordance with Regulation 12.3.2:

(a) during the Normal Playing Season but prior to 5.00pm on the fourth Thursday in March, the points deduction shall apply immediately;

(b) during the Normal Playing Season but after 5.00pm on the fourth Thursday in March, Regulation 12.3.4 shall apply; and

(c) outside the Normal Playing Season, the points deduction shall apply in respect of the following Season such that the Club starts that Season on minus 12 points (including in the National League if appropriate).

12.3.4 Where the circumstances set out in Regulation 12.3.3(b) apply and at the end of that Season, having regard to the number of championship points awarded (ignoring any potential deduction):

(a) the Club would be relegated in accordance with Regulation 10.1.2(b) or 7.7, the points deduction will apply in the next following Season (including in the National League if appropriate); or

(b) the Club would not be relegated as aforesaid, the points deduction will apply in that Season and Regulation 10.1.2(b) or 7.7 will then apply (if appropriate) following imposition of the points deduction.

12.3.5 For the avoidance of doubt, where a Club and/or Group Undertaking is subject to more than one of the procedures in Regulation 12.3.1 above during a process of compromising creditors (for example Administration followed by a Company Voluntary Arrangement), the Club shall only be deducted one set of 12 points, such deduction to apply with effect from the first Insolvency Event.

What’s the definition of “Normal Playing Season”?

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Normal season. All the verbage messes with the head, but presumably this phrase means they are justified in doing it now as its not a normal season.

But what the he'll, we've got evatt and something to look forward to. 

normal season means not close season, summer months

10 minutes ago, leigh white said:

I never noticed a Wigan rivalry till about 86 when they decided to have a go back at us.

Me neither, did a pre season friendly on my own and ended up getting jumped on by a few after the game.... no wonder I can’t stand them. 

1 minute ago, Jol_BWFC said:

What’s the definition of “Normal Playing Season”?

Im a simple production bloke, you posh twat 

Get digging

2 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I think the point is that our club's history is determined by what it does itself, not by a local "rival" getting relegated.

Yes but don't underestimate the context provided by the fortunes of others.  When we were in Europe it felt like we were pioneers for clubs of our size and that definitely added to the special feeling at the time, compared to if Wigan or Burnley had got there before us.  And as bad as Newcastle have been for years, it would have been worse for them if Sunderland had been 1 place above.  if we're going to be crap it makes it slighly more palatable if others are suffering too, either in league position or financially.

Just now, Casino said:

Im a simple production bloke, you posh twat 

Get digging

“Go find it yourself”. You sound just like Miami.

Presumably you copied and pasted it from the rules, online somewhere? I expect the start of the online rulebook has the definitions in it. Or send me the link.

In fact, i tell a lie

Normal playing season doesnt include play offs, either

Wigan are certainly more relevant as rivals to anyone under 30

4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Me neither, did a pre season friendly on my own and ended up getting jumped on by a few after the game.... no wonder I can’t stand them. 

Picking on a lone Bolton fan sums them up. 

1 minute ago, Jol_BWFC said:

“Go find it yourself”. You sound just like Miami.

Presumably you copied and pasted it from the rules, online somewhere? I expect the start of the online rulebook has the definitions in it. Or send me the link.

All in there or thereabouts

Seriously,  youre much betrer qualified than me

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-3---the-league/

8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Me neither, did a pre season friendly on my own and ended up getting jumped on by a few after the game.... no wonder I can’t stand them. 

Not pleasant - but to be fair in 86 that didnt necessarily mean that they hated us, that could have happened at Rotherham or Mansfield.  Its just what happened to away fans on their own.