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4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Why?

I've no intention of offering any support to a political organisation that's gone way beyond its initial protest roots.

Because judging from yesterday's game the whole thing took about 5 seconds. And I don't think looking at something counts as 'offering support'. 

Turning your back is what's going to make things political. 

Just let them get on with it and hopefully they'll fuck it off in a couple of weeks. Make a big deal out of it and they'll be doing it for years as they won't be able to back down from doing it every game. 

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Never will I go if that’s the future. 

I will say it again... We had 11 players who are new to the club starting yesterday, it needs time & it's probably in our favour that games are behind closed doors given the impatience of some peo

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12 minutes ago, 1969 said:

I go to the match to get away from all the shite we have to put up with in life and have a bit of a crack. Not to see a political stance 

Spot on

when it was kicking off months back you had the option to turn your tv over but when I’m paying my money to watch a football match I don’t want that

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7 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

I hope they carry on doing it. It’s a good way to show solidarity. All racism needs to be called out. 

Is the bended knee a show of Solidarity though? , I think that symbol just targets Racism against 1 particular race .

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I think people are arguing that its support for a political organisation are just looking for a reason to argue against it happening

I see the knee thing as support for a belief that blacks should get equal treatment, not that we should be supporting a crackpot fringe

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5 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Because judging from yesterday's game the whole thing took about 5 seconds. And I don't think looking at something counts as 'offering support'. 

Turning your back is what's going to make things political. 

Just let them get on with it and hopefully they'll fuck it off in a couple of weeks. Make a big deal out of it and they'll be doing it for years as they won't be able to back down from doing it every game. 

Its not going away though is it. Been going on for months. I dont intend to make a big deal of it, turning a back or sitting down etc is very much the opposite. 

We could show ire and shout abuse or smash a few seats up but would definitely be cuntish.

Frankly, if the Tory Party, Labour, Extinction rebellion or monster raving loonies were being saluted pre match they'd also get the same disrespect.

Football is for fans, prefer politics left outside. 

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3 minutes ago, Casino said:

I think people are arguing that its support for a political organisation are just looking for a reason to argue against it happening

I see the knee thing as support for a belief that blacks should get equal treatment, not that we should be supporting a crackpot fringe

Spot on.

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Just now, Duck Egg said:

Delfounso obviously felt strongly enough about it to raise a fist as well as take a knee.  As a Wanderers fan why would you not want to show support for how one of our own is feeling?  As a human being, why wouldn't you?

I've no problem with that they have done it.I just don't agree with it being done time and time again.Its becoming abit scouserish

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3 minutes ago, Casino said:

I think people are arguing that its support for a political organisation are just looking for a reason to argue against it happening

I see the knee thing as support for a belief that blacks should get equal treatment, not that we should be supporting a crackpot fringe

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1 minute ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

So how long do we continue with it

permanently? 

I've seen enough of it.

Everyone with an ounce of decency knows that black lives matter and why they're protesting, but I don't need to see it everytime I turn the fucking telly on.

Wife had BGT on last night and Diversity (all of them are black, so not that diverse) did a piece all about "the struggle" including replicating the Floyd incident. That's not fucking entertainment, that's ramming a cause down our throats.

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3 minutes ago, Casino said:

I think people are arguing that its support for a political organisation are just looking for a reason to argue against it happening

I see the knee thing as support for a belief that blacks should get equal treatment, not that we should be supporting a crackpot fringe

Players get equal treatment. Never, ever done or said anything untoward towards anyone from any nation or of any colour. Clubs have made huge strides and efforts in this regard over the years.

If players still want to make a protest, I'd rather they take a more formal and peaceful protest where others can join them away from football. Damned right it shouldn't be happening before every game.

 

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2 minutes ago, Traf said:

I've seen enough of it.

Everyone with an ounce of decency knows that black lives matter and why they're protesting, but I don't need to see it everytime I turn the fucking telly on.

Wife had BGT on last night and Diversity (all of them are black, so not that diverse) did a piece all about "the struggle" including replicating the Floyd incident. That's not fucking entertainment, that's ramming a cause down our throats.

We had it solid for a period news, football games, Martin Lewis show and even on bleeding Fifa!

but we had the option to turn off 

just hope someone has the balls to knock it 

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1 minute ago, Traf said:

I've seen enough of it.

Everyone with an ounce of decency knows that black lives matter and why they're protesting, but I don't need to see it everytime I turn the fucking telly on.

Wife had BGT on last night and Diversity (all of them are black, so not that diverse) did a piece all about "the struggle" including replicating the Floyd incident. That's not fucking entertainment, that's ramming a cause down our throats.

Agreed

 

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Just now, radcliffewhite1 said:

We had it solid for a period news, football games, Martin Lewis show and even on bleeding Fifa!

but we had the option to turn off 

just hope someone has the balls to knock it 

Needs some players with the balls to not kneel.

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10 minutes ago, Casino said:

I think people are arguing that its support for a political organisation are just looking for a reason to argue against it happening

I see the knee thing as support for a belief that blacks should get equal treatment, not that we should be supporting a crackpot fringe

I don't need a reason to be arguing against it happening but it won't bring me to the point of making a counter protest against it either. It was done originally & made its point now its just wearisome & getting to the point where its pissing reasonable people off & will end up having a counter productive outcome. 

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25 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Spot on

when it was kicking off months back you had the option to turn your tv over but when I’m paying my money to watch a football match I don’t want that

Close your eyes for 10 seconds. 

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39 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Because judging from yesterday's game the whole thing took about 5 seconds. And I don't think looking at something counts as 'offering support'. 

Turning your back is what's going to make things political. 

Just let them get on with it and hopefully they'll fuck it off in a couple of weeks. Make a big deal out of it and they'll be doing it for years as they won't be able to back down from doing it every game. 

Players doing it in the first place makes it political ffs!

Was any of this in Football before CV, was it fuck! We had and still have the 'Kick it Out' racism campaign! 

Like most on here are saying, fuck off, we've had enough and we just want to go wat thing football without all the political circus that's around in society.

FOOTBALL is a release, you wake up get your clobber on, head to the train station or pub to meet your mates and going watch your team win, lose or draw. 

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23 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

I hope they carry on doing it. It’s a good way to show solidarity. All racism needs to be called out. 

Just like all acts of terrorism needs to have a candle lit, a prayer said, a Facebook profile changing to include the flag of whichever country said terrorism took place, the list of things done to “call out” terrorism goes on. 
 

Tell me though, how does a field full of players kneeling help? In fact, look at where the bended  knee first became prevalent in current affairs; those same black sportsmen ignoring the convention of standing for your country’s National Anthem. Well, now they managed to talk white sportsmen into taking that same knee. Where does it stop? 

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8 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Players doing it in the first place makes it political ffs!

Was any of this in Football before CV, was it fuck! We had and still have the 'Kick it Out' racism campaign! 

Like most on here are saying, fuck off, we've had enough and we just want to go wat thing football without all the political circus that's around in society.

FOOTBALL is a release, you wake up get your clobber on, head to the train station or pub to meet your mates and going watch your team win, lose or draw. 

I don't feel like it's a political statement at all. Not at the football at least. Seems to me it's just a bunch of young lads expressing themselves about racism. Doubt they've given a seconds thought to whether there's a latent nefarious political ideology pulling the strings from afar.

Turn your back and a lot of people will just assume you're a racist. And then we'll get the inevitable backlash. And then the players will keep on doing it to prove a point. And then we'll have yet another cultural splitting point.

Anyway - it's your back. You do what you think is best. I think what you said about staying behind the stands untill the whole thing is over is probably the most sensible thing!

I'll just be glad when we can get back to normal :)

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