It’s kicking off

Russian police arrest over 1000 protesters

Alexei Navalny, has been poisoned and arrested and still had this documentary released 

His wife has been arrested as well. 

Some serious minerals on this chap 

Edited February 27, 20224 yr by Rudy

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

I don't agree, this is a sovereign nation being bullied for nothing more than existing. Putin has never seen them as anything other than part of Russia but he is wrong.

I agree, however you have to say Russian forces are nothing like what they should have been, good old Russian corruption at its best.

I still cannot fathom their strange obsession that the west is the aggressor, no one wants to invade their shithole country.

Said this weeks ago.... should have gone in as soon as they entered Ukraine. If we can see how site their military is surely our and others Intel would have already known this? Probably wouldn't have seen the atrocities we've seen... who knows.

It was know from the start they'd want the Eastern region to divide the country.

Nato is already on Russia's doorstep. They worry about it been even closer if Ukraine was to join. Basically surrounding their western border.. bar a few countries.

They don't comprehend that we and Western countries have no interest in invading Russia. But that is used a propaganda stut to fool the Russian people.

I said before they'd probably take the east but looking what's happened I'd be surprised if they end up taking any.

 

9 hours ago, Dimron said:

War is grim. Too many people see it as a video game. It's about death, brutality and destruction.

The more weapons we ship over the more we feed the flames, needs to stop sometime.

Never trust politicians, blind faith in nationalism can get you killed.

What's the alternative?

Just give the aggressor what they want?

6 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

Said this weeks ago.... should have gone in as soon as they entered Ukraine. If we can see how site their military is surely our and others Intel would have already known this? Probably wouldn't have seen the atrocities we've seen... who knows.

It was know from the start they'd want the Eastern region to divide the country.

Nato is already on Russia's doorstep. They worry about it been even closer if Ukraine was to join. Basically surrounding their western border.. bar a few countries.

They don't comprehend that we and Western countries have no interest in invading Russia. But that is used a propaganda stut to fool the Russian people.

I said before they'd probably take the east but looking what's happened I'd be surprised if they end up taking any.

 

Throughout its history Russia has always been invaded from the west which makes their population and leaders particularly paranoid. When you look at the map you can see a steady creep of NATO membership towards Russia and Ukraine was that step too far in Russian eyes, geographically it punches right into Russia with Belarus to the north and the Black Sea in the south. 

I can see Putin's point but obviously cannot agree with his recent actions, I first hoped the exercises along the borders were a demonstration of what could happen if we don't come to an agreement regarding NATO, but both sides have now let the genie out of the bottle and it is going to be bloody difficult, if not impossible to put it back.

We had an opportunity for a short sharp action particularly against the stalled convoy outside Kiev but things have now become mudded throughout the theatre and both sides appear to have lost the will to talk, hence my fears about European stability.

I heard a proposal this morning about Ukraine being fast-tracked into the EU, they had been denied as they are one of the poorest nations in Europe with an equally poor human rights record, being homosexual is illegal. Since when has it been acceptable for an applicant to be at war?

5 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Throughout its history Russia has always been invaded from the west which makes their population and leaders particularly paranoid. When you look at the map you can see a steady creep of NATO membership towards Russia and Ukraine was that step too far in Russian eyes, geographically it punches right into Russia with Belarus to the north and the Black Sea in the south. 

I can see Putin's point but obviously cannot agree with his recent actions, I first hoped the exercises along the borders were a demonstration of what could happen if we don't come to an agreement regarding NATO, but both sides have now let the genie out of the bottle and it is going to be bloody difficult, if not impossible to put it back.

We had an opportunity for a short sharp action particularly against the stalled convoy outside Kiev but things have now become mudded throughout the theatre and both sides appear to have lost the will to talk, hence my fears about European stability.

I heard a proposal this morning about Ukraine being fast-tracked into the EU, they had been denied as they are one of the poorest nations in Europe with an equally poor human rights record, being homosexual is illegal. Since when has it been acceptable for an applicant to be at war?

We’ve seen some excellent fishing on this site over the years. But this is right up there with the very best.

The only danger De Feffel might have is drowning in the gallons of jizz being spurted over his visit to Kiev.

Man does job, once. No put leaves on bonfire.

Edited April 11, 20224 yr by Spider

<motson voice>
 

”…and here’s Johnson now, clean through on goal and… yes, he hits the net to pull one back for Tory Rovers.

That makes up for the 6 own goals he scored in the first half and the stadium rises to pour unholy amounts of semen onto him as he does a lap of honour.”

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

Throughout its history Russia has always been invaded from the west which makes their population and leaders particularly paranoid. When you look at the map you can see a steady creep of NATO membership towards Russia and Ukraine was that step too far in Russian eyes, geographically it punches right into Russia with Belarus to the north and the Black Sea in the south. 

I can see Putin's point but obviously cannot agree with his recent actions, I first hoped the exercises along the borders were a demonstration of what could happen if we don't come to an agreement regarding NATO, but both sides have now let the genie out of the bottle and it is going to be bloody difficult, if not impossible to put it back.

We had an opportunity for a short sharp action particularly against the stalled convoy outside Kiev but things have now become mudded throughout the theatre and both sides appear to have lost the will to talk, hence my fears about European stability.

I heard a proposal this morning about Ukraine being fast-tracked into the EU, they had been denied as they are one of the poorest nations in Europe with an equally poor human rights record, being homosexual is illegal. Since when has it been acceptable for an applicant to be at war?

I'm all for having an open mind and listening to the other side but this is nonsense. The guy is a psychopath. He has no point and never has. 

European stability was threatened the moment they crossed the border. They're a democratic sovereign country and whether or not some of them still have some backwards views or not is irrelevant. 

What out of interest should the west have done? Let him have his way and abandon Ukraine? To avoid any escalation to Europe? 

He's an appeaser. Repeatedly posting such drivel.

52 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Throughout its history Russia has always been invaded from the west which makes their population and leaders particularly paranoid. When you look at the map you can see a steady creep of NATO membership towards Russia and Ukraine was that step too far in Russian eyes, geographically it punches right into Russia with Belarus to the north and the Black Sea in the south. 

I can see Putin's point but obviously cannot agree with his recent actions, I first hoped the exercises along the borders were a demonstration of what could happen if we don't come to an agreement regarding NATO, but both sides have now let the genie out of the bottle and it is going to be bloody difficult, if not impossible to put it back.

We had an opportunity for a short sharp action particularly against the stalled convoy outside Kiev but things have now become mudded throughout the theatre and both sides appear to have lost the will to talk, hence my fears about European stability.

I heard a proposal this morning about Ukraine being fast-tracked into the EU, they had been denied as they are one of the poorest nations in Europe with an equally poor human rights record, being homosexual is illegal. Since when has it been acceptable for an applicant to be at war?

Ukraine is hardly a bastion of LGBT rights but homosexuality is not illegal.

5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

He's an appeaser. Repeatedly posting such drivel.

Aye.. fuck it. No point engaging then.

Another gentle nudge that if anyone has anything spare and wants to donate directly to boots on the ground - then this is the link - NBU Opens Special Account to Raise Funds for Ukraine’s Armed Forces (updated) (bank.gov.ua)
 

10 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Aye.. fuck it. No point engaging then.

Another gentle nudge that if anyone has anything spare and wants to donate directly to boots on the ground - then this is the link - NBU Opens Special Account to Raise Funds for Ukraine’s Armed Forces (updated) (bank.gov.ua)
 

I’m all for helping out with the refugee crisis, but funding their armed forces? Is this like a top up on their wage or towards kit and equipment? 

14 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Aye.. fuck it. No point engaging then.

Another gentle nudge that if anyone has anything spare and wants to donate directly to boots on the ground - then this is the link - NBU Opens Special Account to Raise Funds for Ukraine’s Armed Forces (updated) (bank.gov.ua)
 

This is what I discussed with the chap in charge of our local ukranian club, when all this kicked off.

It was a different Web site where you could choose between military or humanitarian aid. I asked if it was definite that any military money would definitely go there and not disappear somehow. 

He said that the clubs were wholly for humanitarian aid, so I gave them the money rather than online.

Your link seems legitimate enough- my only concern is that weapons sales from the west have to be allowed by governments- so the donations of money may not yield big outcomes particularly quickly.

It has been clear for a while that they could do with more long range missiles (which the UK does appear to be supplying now) to have a go at ships and Russian pieces stood off at distance.

Edited April 11, 20224 yr by Tonge moor green jacket

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

He's an appeaser. Repeatedly posting such drivel.

My father, father in law and grandfather were veterans of World Wars, I had the privilege to discuss experiences with my father and father in law and as a result i have taken the time to read up on the history of 20th Century warfare.

The more I read, the more I see the futility and I become more anti-war and I truly wanted all of the politicians to avoid the current situation rather than stand up and shout "get at 'em". We have now got urban warfare with the associated civilian casualties which I hate, so many similarities with WW2 campaigns and mass casualties.

However I am beginning to think the only way to get out of this is to get fully involved, give Putin a big snotting and maybe then the Oligarchs who originally put him into power will move him into a Datcha where he can live in fear of that eventual knock in the night and a bullet in the back of the head in the basement of the Lubyanka.

 

2 hours ago, Spider said:

The only danger De Feffel might have is drowning in the gallons of jizz being spurted over his visit to Kiev.

Man does job, once. No put leaves on bonfire.

Agree entirely. He's having a belting week, this and with Sunak being completely screwed he'll be like a pig in shit at the moment.

2 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

I'm all for having an open mind and listening to the other side but this is nonsense. The guy is a psychopath. He has no point and never has. 

 

I agree that Putin is a psychopath and our politicians baited the Russian Bear and its no secret I am of the opinion that eastern expansion was the undoing of the EU with NATO now following.

24 minutes ago, Dimron said:

My father, father in law and grandfather were veterans of World Wars, I had the privilege to discuss experiences with my father and father in law and as a result i have taken the time to read up on the history of 20th Century warfare.

The more I read, the more I see the futility and I become more anti-war and I truly wanted all of the politicians to avoid the current situation rather than stand up and shout "get at 'em". We have now got urban warfare with the associated civilian casualties which I hate, so many similarities with WW2 campaigns and mass casualties.

However I am beginning to think the only way to get out of this is to get fully involved, give Putin a big snotting and maybe then the Oligarchs who originally put him into power will move him into a Datcha where he can live in fear of that eventual knock in the night and a bullet in the back of the head in the basement of the Lubyanka.

 

Putin has claimed Ukraine is a geopolitical fiction with no right to exist. In the face of an ucompromising aggressor being anti-war isn't really a viable option.

Also, although the oligarchs aren't entirely powerless, they retain their wealth because of Putin. The deal is the keep their money provided they do the Kremlin's bidding whilst abroad and stay out of politics. If they renege on that deal they suffer the same fate as Berezovsky and Khordokovsky.

Russia isn't a bear, it's a chihuahua, yappy with little bite.

18 minutes ago, Carlos said:

Russia isn't a bear, it's a chihuahua, yappy with little bite.

Showing itself as a mentally retarded bear without any teeth.

I couldn't believe some of the pictures, no commander would allow his tanks to drive down a city street without infantry support clearing the path of snipers and AT weapons first... no wonder they got knocked out.

I wonder if they did go for the nuclear option how many would go phut like a damp banger on Bommy night?

2 hours ago, royal white said:

I’m all for helping out with the refugee crisis, but funding their armed forces? Is this like a top up on their wage or towards kit and equipment? 

Some of our taxes are going towards their armed forces. This was sent to me by a friend in Kyiv - I imagine that most of it is to support the soldiers. Not many of them are on wages right now. 

2 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Showing itself as a mentally retarded bear without any teeth.

I couldn't believe some of the pictures, no commander would allow his tanks to drive down a city street without infantry support clearing the path of snipers and AT weapons first... no wonder they got knocked out.

I wonder if they did go for the nuclear option how many would go phut like a damp banger on Bommy night?

I think there's a slim to moderate chance that we'll see Russia use tactical nukes on the battlefield before the end of the year.

Then we really will have a choice to make!

27 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Putin has claimed Ukraine is a geopolitical fiction with no right to exist. In the face of an ucompromising aggressor being anti-war isn't really a viable option.

Also, although the oligarchs aren't entirely powerless, they retain their wealth because of Putin. The deal is the keep their money provided they do the Kremlin's bidding whilst abroad and stay out of politics. If they renege on that deal they suffer the same fate as Berezovsky and Khordokovsky.

Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine was a founding member of the UN so it does exist.

Sanctions could be the catalyst for the Oligarchs to make him step down but it might take time.

"Russia has warned Finland and Sweden against joining Nato, arguing the move would not bring stability to Europe."

What are you going to do, threaten them with what's left of your army, a load of conscripts with fuck all armoured vehicles?

45 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine was a founding member of the UN so it does exist.

Sanctions could be the catalyst for the Oligarchs to make him step down but it might take time.

Yes, clearly it exists. The point I'm making is that Putin think it has no right to (at least as a nation state).

The power in Russia lies within the Kremlin not with the oligarchs. 

2 hours ago, Dimron said:

I agree that Putin is a psychopath and our politicians baited the Russian Bear and its no secret I am of the opinion that eastern expansion was the undoing of the EU with NATO now following.

the fuck is Ireland's problem?