It’s kicking off

Russian police arrest over 1000 protesters

Alexei Navalny, has been poisoned and arrested and still had this documentary released 

His wife has been arrested as well. 

Some serious minerals on this chap 

Edited February 27, 20224 yr by Rudy

2 hours ago, Whitestar said:

Don't think it was lager it was more of a pale ale and disappeared about the same time as Double Diamond.

Unfortunately.

Going to be a beer shortage next year. Ukraine is a major wheat producer so our farmers will produce more wheat at the expense of Barley

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

 

Can only assume its when Putin fan hopes Ukraine falls.

I suggest you check out a BBC documentary "Putin, Russia and the West" that was repeated on BBC4 tonight, also a very good article by Gideon Rachman in last Saturday's Guardian. 

This conflict goes back to Bush and Rice and it must be more constructive to get inside the mind of your opponents and try to find solutions rather than make pointless shouts.

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

Going to be a beer shortage next year. Ukraine is a major wheat producer so our farmers will produce more wheat at the expense of Barley

First thoughts of a massive wheat shortage are we might not get a pint not any of the other none alcoholic influential ways wheat touches our day to day lives.

Classic wanderersways 

 

 

8 hours ago, Dimron said:

Going to be a beer shortage next year. Ukraine is a major wheat producer so our farmers will produce more wheat at the expense of Barley

with Everything going UP 

we cant Afford to Drink anyway 

6 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

 

That’s a mad bit of luck ain’t it 

4 hours ago, TroySwoosh said:

We know from bitter experience a simple exocet type missile can knock out a capital ship, hence the UK has now invested in two big carriers without the smaller ships and submarines required to provide the layers of defence... there's a lesson for us here. 

43 minutes ago, Dimron said:

We know from bitter experience a simple exocet type missile can knock out a capital ship, hence the UK has now invested in two big carriers without the smaller ships and submarines required to provide the layers of defence... there's a lesson for us here. 

yes, to not invade a neighbouring country for wanting to control their own destiny

to not allow our troops to commit genocide

to not obliterate towns and cities

to not threaten nuclear attacks

 

but then I think we already know these things

Tell me I'm wrong, but I think the whole concept of a naval ships is blown. You can take a ship out with a drone costing a few grand, apart from aircraft carriers sat out to sea, out of range, they are sitting ducks for modern tech.

6 minutes ago, Carlos said:

Tell me I'm wrong, but I think the whole concept of a naval ships is blown. You can take a ship out with a drone costing a few grand, apart from aircraft carriers sat out to sea, out of range, they are sitting ducks for modern tech.

A few hundred grand, if not a couple of million.

22 minutes ago, Carlos said:

Tell me I'm wrong, but I think the whole concept of a naval ships is blown. You can take a ship out with a drone costing a few grand, apart from aircraft carriers sat out to sea, out of range, they are sitting ducks for modern tech.

Modern ships are equipped with an array of missiles capable of destroying other missiles. Even the guns can track and shoot down moving objects.

Wouldn't surprise me is some top secret equipment is available too, or soon will be.

18 minutes ago, Cheese said:

A few hundred grand, if not a couple of million.

Still not a bad ROI right. Meanwhile Russia are flying drones with a Canon 750d glued in.

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

We know from bitter experience a simple exocet type missile can knock out a capital ship, hence the UK has now invested in two big carriers without the smaller ships and submarines required to provide the layers of defence... there's a lesson for us here. 

Utter guff.

A simple watch of some of the available recent documentaries shows that not to be the case.

We have been short of large carriers and these two now compliment the number of smaller ships which would accompany and protect them in a battle group.

Much of the weaponry is beyond horizon type stuff allowing engagement from a distance.

Anti submarine cover provided both by boats and helicopters.

A lot of it is about technology and capability, and nato has plenty of it, unlike your mate Putin. 

11 minutes ago, Carlos said:

Still not a bad ROI right. Meanwhile Russia are flying drones with a Canon 750d glued in.

12 microwaves strapped together with gaffer tape is what they call a nuclear weapon. All a big bluff like North Korea.

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

We know from bitter experience a simple exocet type missile can knock out a capital ship, hence the UK has now invested in two big carriers without the smaller ships and submarines required to provide the layers of defence... there's a lesson for us here. 

Many lessons are no doubt being learned by all nations. Russia’s idea of modern military warfare is so dated it’s unbelievable. Dated Soviet mentality and dated Soviet weapons. The rest of the world will also be watching their undoubted miscalculation with interest though. 
There is no doubt in my mind that the west is far superior in all aspects of its military capabilities, lessons are being learned though. If NATO got involved it would be all over in a matter of weeks if not days.
Russia have Nukes though. They continually use it as a threat. Nukes were supposedly the ultimate deterrent to WW111. 
Ukraine is delaying/avoiding WW111 by fighting with their lives. If we can keep supplying them with weapons then they will repel the Russians. The cost, to them though will be/is enormous. 

 

The Yanks would obliterate them without breaking sweat.

48 minutes ago, gonzo said:

The Yanks would obliterate them without breaking sweat.

Aye though that said the US have a shit away record

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Modern ships are equipped with an array of missiles capable of destroying other missiles. Even the guns can track and shoot down moving objects.

Wouldn't surprise me is some top secret equipment is available too, or soon will be.

HMS Sheffield was state of the art and got knocked out by a relatively primitive missile whose warhead didn't even detonate. The Captain was still in bed in his cabin on a day of heightened alert and the 20 year old scopey on the radar didn't make the call when he saw a potential threat because he was afraid of getting a bollocking.

Technology means nothing if the people don't or aren't enabled to use it

3 hours ago, TroySwoosh said:

yes, to not invade a neighbouring country for wanting to control their own destiny

to not allow our troops to commit genocide

to not obliterate towns and cities

to not threaten nuclear attacks

 

but then I think we already know these things

Agreed but when you take the King's shilling part of the covenant is your politicians will not commit you to immoral wars, every time i see a knocked out tank I see 5 lads burned to death in a one minute inferno.

I realise the majority of the Russians are conscripts which then brings into question the quality of their Officers for not keeping discipline

13 minutes ago, Dimron said:

HMS Sheffield was state of the art and got knocked out by a relatively primitive missile whose warhead didn't even detonate. The Captain was still in bed in his cabin on a day of heightened alert and the 20 year old scopey on the radar didn't make the call when he saw a potential threat because he was afraid of getting a bollocking.

Technology means nothing if the people don't or aren't enabled to use it

im sure ive Read 

they was on the phone to Whitehall at the time 

and both Systems  did'nt work at the same time 

that's why they got hit

 

34 minutes ago, Zico said:

Aye though that said the US have a shit away record

All boils down to the US believing NATO territory is threatened by Iranian missiles that might or might not exist.

US wants to put their missiles into the eastern extremities of NATO (Poland) as a deterrent.

Russia then tells US, we accept this but do you realise your missiles could also hit 50% of our country.

Okay says the US, you can put observers into our missile bases. But then US renegade on this verbal agreement telling Russia they can maybe visit their bases sometimes.

Then Georgia and Ukraine apply to join NATO and Russia objects as the missiles will now penetrate further but the US adopt a stony face.

 

13 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Agreed but when you take the King's shilling part of the covenant is your politicians will not commit you to immoral wars, every time i see a knocked out tank I see 5 lads burned to death in a one minute inferno.

I realise the majority of the Russians are conscripts which then brings into question the quality of their Officers for not keeping discipline

Every time I see a Russian tank taken out I see it as 5 less rapists, murderers and looters. War is hell but the Ukrainians didn’t start it.

9 minutes ago, little whitt said:

im sure ive Read 

they was on the phone to Whitehall at the time 

and both Systems  did'nt work at the same time 

that's why they got hit

 

You are correct. SNAFU.

We can have all this technology but at the end of the day its the grunts in the battlefield under stress who have to make things work.

It's not a video game like space invaders or whatever, it's flesh, bones and steel & explosives

3 minutes ago, Dimron said:

All boils down to the US believing NATO territory is threatened by Iranian missiles that might or might not exist.

US wants to put their missiles into the eastern extremities of NATO (Poland) as a deterrent.

Russia then tells US, we accept this but do you realise your missiles could also hit 50% of our country.

Okay says the US, you can put observers into our missile bases. But then US renegade on this verbal agreement telling Russia they can maybe visit their bases sometimes.

Then Georgia and Ukraine apply to join NATO and Russia objects as the missiles will now penetrate further but the US adopt a stony face.

 

You’re saying NATO territory as if NATO is some sort of Colonial organisation. It was formed to protect. No country was or are forced to join. They wanted to join to protect them from mainly Russian aggression but also other possible aggressor’s.