Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Russia have denied it.

Make of that what you will.

 

[athywhite1958]

When is the orange yank going to end this fucking war?

[Spider]

54 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said:

When is the orange yank going to end this fucking war?

Day one

Thats what the man said

[Spider]

Apparently NATO are now on the highest alert for an imminent attack from Russia.

Theyre not saying where but I’m not sure I’d want to be in Estonia for a while

[athywhite1958]

34 minutes ago, Spider said:

Apparently NATO are now on the highest alert for an imminent attack from Russia.

Theyre not saying where but I’m not sure I’d want to be in Estonia for a while

or Latvia

[green genie]

Refugees are welcome.

[Sweep]

42 minutes ago, Spider said:

Apparently NATO are now on the highest alert for an imminent attack from Russia.

Theyre not saying where but I’m not sure I’d want to be in Estonia for a while

Surely Putin hasn't got the balls to go up against a NATO member. It'll be a pretty short war if he does. 

[Dimron]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

Apparently NATO are now on the highest alert for an imminent attack from Russia.

Theyre not saying where but I’m not sure I’d want to be in Estonia for a while

Reports indicate Russian forces might be about to make a major gain by taking Pokrovsk which has major road and railway connections and encircling remaining Ukrainian units. That would be a significant loss to Ukraine holding onto its heavily industrialised Donbas region.

That could explain why Ukraine's allies are getting edgy

[Spider]

49 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Surely Putin hasn't got the balls to go up against a NATO member. It'll be a pretty short war if he does. 

Fortunately The Don has ensured peace so I’m assuming this is all just a bit of banter

[Dimron]

2 hours ago, athywhite1958 said:

When is the orange yank going to end this fucking war?

Putin is demanding the Donbas as part of a peace settlement, if Russia makes a major gain in this area as currently appears likely then Trump might drop his "paper tiger" stance and agree to Putin's demand and the summit might be back on.

Ukraine and the EU won't like it but in Trump world that's almost irrelevant.

Otherwise it's back to attrition... to date Russia is advancing at less than 20 miles per year

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

21 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Reports indicate Russian forces might be about to make a major gain by taking Pokrovsk which has major road and railway connections and encircling remaining Ukrainian units. That would be a significant loss to Ukraine holding onto its heavily industrialised Donbas region.

That could explain why Ukraine's allies are getting edgy

Far more to it than that.

I've been following Jake Broe, amongst others, in his analysis. 

It does/did form a rail hub supplying much of the area.

He describes the Pokrovsk battle as being "land for time".

Russia is losing money hand over fist, together with refining capacity, men, food production etc.

Ukraine has scaled up drone production remarkably, and supposedly outstrips Russian production. 

They are also struggling for money, but the agreements with other nations over military equipment manufacturing, exports etc will see some money coming in.

Putin has ordered an even greater push in the area too apparently, so as to get "a win". It has cost incredible losses though- an average of 1000 per day now, and their spending on their military has fallen this last year or so.

They're stalling for time until Russia's unsustainable conflict hits the buffers.

[Dimron]

6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Far more to it than that.

I've been following Jake Broe, amongst others, in his analysis. 

It does/did form a rail hub supplying much of the area.

He describes the Pokrovsk battle as being "land for time".

Russia is losing money hand over fist, together with refining capacity, men, food production etc.

Ukraine has scaled up drone production remarkably, and supposedly outstrips Russian production. 

They are also struggling for money, but the agreements with other nations over military equipment manufacturing, exports etc will see some money coming in.

Putin has ordered an even greater push in the area too apparently, so as to get "a win". It has cost incredible losses though- an average of 1000 per day now, and their spending on their military has fallen this last year or so.

They're stalling for time until Russia's unsustainable conflict hits the buffers.

Putin needs a win before winter sets in to influence Trump then he'll be clobbering Ukraines' energy system as in the previous campaigns

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Ukraine currently has no fossil fuel.based power plants.

They have all be hit.

They do get repaired, but don't last.

The people are used to it though, and have an app showing when power to their area will and won't be available- presumably as repairs and redistribution is carried out.

Anyway, I've put this link up for donations.

The NAFO set up is amazing- from the baltics to Ukraine, they're delivering equipment.

Worth a watch of some of the videos, and any help will be gratefully received.

https://www.help99.co/

 

[kent_white]

On 06/11/2025 at 21:11, Cheese said:

I wouldn't be venturing higher than the ground floor of any buildings or drinking any tea in the near future if I was Sergei Lavrov...

https://united24media.com/latest-news/kremlin-reportedly-cuts-ties-with-lavrov-after-failed-trump-putin-summit-preparation-13183

Has he surfaced yet? 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

11 hours ago, kent_white said:

Has he surfaced yet? 

Strapped to the test Poseidon nuclear torpedo.

[Winchester White]

10 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Strapped to the test Poseidon nuclear torpedo.

With a bit of luck 😁

[Dimron]

18 hours ago, kent_white said:

Has he surfaced yet? 

He was interviewed this week by an Italian newspaper according to reuters, still Foreign Minister

[kent_white]

12 minutes ago, Dimron said:

He was interviewed this week by an Italian newspaper according to reuters, still Foreign Minister

That's a shame. I thought he'd been potted! 😁

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Watched a little documentary thing yesterday that showed Putin has multiple "offices" all over the place, that are meant to be identical. 

The idea being that they can say he is in place A, but actually he's in place B.

Trouble is, analysis has seen subtle differences, and they know roughly where they are.

Bloke is the ultimate paranoid schizophrenic apparently. 

[Dimron]

2 hours ago, kent_white said:

That's a shame. I thought he'd been potted! 😁

The information came from a Ukrainian sponsored feed... he might have gone to the Lubyanka for the old bullet in the back of the head and he might still yet go... but I suspect he'll crop up with his USSR sweatshirt next time there's a summit

[Dimron]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Watched a little documentary thing yesterday that showed Putin has multiple "offices" all over the place, that are meant to be identical. 

The idea being that they can say he is in place A, but actually he's in place B.

Trouble is, analysis has seen subtle differences, and they know roughly where they are.

Bloke is the ultimate paranoid schizophrenic apparently. 

That's how you survive 25 years

[Tonge moor green jacket]

12 hours ago, Dimron said:

That's how you survive 25 years

Or you don't behave as a tyrant, terrorist etc in the first place.

[Dimron]

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Or you don't behave as a tyrant, terrorist etc in the first place.

There lies the problem... perestroika has happened in my adult lifetime. We expect other cultures to simply adopt our versions of democracy, which in our case has taken 500 years to develop. We do it in the Middle East all the time, some nations need tyrants to hold them together.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 hours ago, Dimron said:

There lies the problem... perestroika has happened in my adult lifetime. We expect other cultures to simply adopt our versions of democracy, which in our case has taken 500 years to develop. We do it in the Middle East all the time, some nations need tyrants to hold them together.

They do.

Russia arguably doesn't. 

The place has many resources and should be able to provide a good standard of living for its people, and by trading peacefully across Europe and Asia even more so.

Moreover, if he kept his tyrannical ways within, then there would be no war, and no sanctions etc. No one would bother. 

[Dimron]

4 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

 

Moreover, if he kept his tyrannical ways within, then there would be no war, and no sanctions etc. No one would bother. 

So would you now agree that Zelensky and his political party do have some responsibility for the shit show we now see? Putin is definitely not innocent but Z is not as squeaky clean as some commentators make out, his primary responsibility was to protect his people and not expose them to such danger.

They got in on the Euro-ticket but then proceeded to wind-up their previous occupiers who are known for their brutal and inhumane outlook to their populace. 

I referred to it as "pulling the bears tail" when it all first kicked off.