Meanwhile in Israel

[London Wanderer]

2 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

When Russia invaded Ukraine those in need of safety moved quickly.

A month after this escalation started we see children in hospitals.

Why?

Who stopped them from leaving?

Why haven't neighbouring countries like Egypt, Saudi or Jordan offered to help those needing immediate sanctuary?

Dear oh dear

[royal white]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Israel also have accepted the need to do this. Do they play too much COD?

https://nypost.com/2023/11/12/news/israel-offers-gaza-hospital-evacuation-for-babies/amp/

All I’m suggesting, in all my naivety, is that they go ahead & try. Even more so, now three have died.

 Maybe tomorrow you can tell us all how a Palestinian family is meant to remove their baby from life support and take it to the nearest safe zone? Was this a skill you picked up in Iraq whilst looking for weapons of mass destruction? 

When you’re being shot at, like was suggested was happening in that video I am commenting on, then no you can’t. 
 

You have now posted a link that explains how Israel are planning to help so what exactly is your problem there? You’ve gone full circle 😂

 

I like it how you can say what Israel shouldn’t be doing but when asked what they should do it’s all whataboutery.

Stick to the classroom lad 👍

[royal white]

8 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

When Russia invaded Ukraine those in need of safety moved quickly.

A month after this escalation started we see children in hospitals.

Why?

Who stopped them from leaving?

Why haven't neighbouring countries like Egypt, Saudi or Jordan offered to help those needing immediate sanctuary?

Suellas fault innit 😂

[wanderer1984]

7 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Dear oh dear

Hmm.. 

is it because Hamas don't want them to leave? 

Is it because other Muslim countries don't want to help?

Is it because other Muslim countries know hamas are in the wrong and don't want anything to do with what's going on there?

What's the problem? Let them in and help those in need.

Given your response I feel you know some facts or reasons why children are still in those hospitals.

Edited November 13, 2023 by wanderer1984

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Nothing intimidatory here

 

[Cheese]

8 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Your response shows how narrow-minded you are. All you see to care about is left v right.

Absolutely nothing to do with Left v Right. That's just how it is I'm afraid. If you think there should be a cease fire, you hate the Jews and love Islamic terrorists.

[wanderer1984]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Absolutely nothing to do with Left v Right. That's just how it is I'm afraid. If you think there should be a cease fire, you hate the Jews and love Islamic terrorists.

What references do you have to prove your theory?

Just WW?

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

What references do you have to prove your theory?

Just WW?

The recently departed Home Secretary for a start...

Edited November 13, 2023 by Cheese

[wanderer1984]

7 minutes ago, Cheese said:

The recently departed Home Secretary for a start...

For a start?

Care to share more?

 

[Cheese]

Just now, wanderer1984 said:

For a start?

Care to share more?

I suspect you're missing the point. Never mind.

[wanderer1984]

19 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I suspect you're missing the point. Never mind.

I am?

Tell me what I'm missing so I understand.

[Not in Crawley]

7 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

When Russia invaded Ukraine those in need of safety moved quickly.

A month after this escalation started we see children in hospitals.

Why?

Who stopped them from leaving?

Why haven't neighbouring countries like Egypt, Saudi or Jordan offered to help those needing immediate sanctuary?

Are you really interested in answers to your questions or just want to go on another ill-formed rant? I'll give you the benefit that its the former. So, Its been explained on here the physical difficuties of leaving Gaza, I think I even posting with with a hepful explainer and link, in response to something LW posted about why haven't folk just left.

If you can be bothered have a scroll back, I believe it was this one: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2023/10/13/why-cant-people-leave-gaza/71170077007/

And here's a brief explantation re Egypt's 'help' to call for, the Saudi's and Jordan are much keener on keeping the close ties with the West in general - and are folowing the Arab League line (see below) The reason why Epypt won't open its boarders is it's long held foreign policy which this situation compounds. They fear nearly 2 million people crossing the border at Rafah, where don't forget the country is already fighting insurgents of their own and then assuming responsibility for millions of refugees (as a confirmed Brexiteer you might have some sympathy with this policy, no?) Egypt also fears that within these reguees will be insurgents of their own which will want to fight Israel from Epypt and the country doesn't want to enter into a defacto war with Israel by default. 

Also to compound all this, and to follow on from the link above the Rafah crossing is inoperable due to the airstrikes, so even getting cross - especially for the old, sick, young, infirm, is nigh on impossible. 

The Arab League has rejected taking in more people on the basis that this is what Israel wants - to just get rid of the population across other Arab countries, and finally have them removed. So you can see how politically difficult this is.

The US is working with Egypt on boarder crossings, which would be huge amounts of help and aid from the States, and some concessions that the US probably wouldn't want to cede - such as the shitload more money. They Egypt already has a lot of refguees and in taking more the country faces financial ruin due to the preilous state of its economy.

Anyway, don't take my word for it - its all there online, in books, in periodcials, magazines, newspapers etc etc

 

 

[London Wanderer]

8 hours ago, royal white said:

You have now posted a link that explains how Israel are planning to help so what exactly is your problem there?

That they've not followed through with their plans and babies have died. 

Do keep up lad

[London Wanderer]

8 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Nothing intimidatory here

 

A protest outside an MPs office. Really? 

Calm down mate

Any windows smashed?

[London Wanderer]

8 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

Hmm.. 

is it because Hamas don't want them to leave? 

Is it because other Muslim countries don't want to help?

Is it because other Muslim countries know hamas are in the wrong and don't want anything to do with what's going on there?

What's the problem? Let them in and help those in need.

Given your response I feel you know some facts or reasons why children are still in those hospitals.

NIC has answered all those questions for you 👍

Obviously it involves a bit of wider reading.

[Zico]

27 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Are you really interested in answers to your questions or just want to go on another ill-formed rant? I'll give you the benefit that its the former. So, Its been explained on here the physical difficuties of leaving Gaza, I think I even posting with with a hepful explainer and link, in response to something LW posted about why haven't folk just left.

If you can be bothered have a scroll back, I believe it was this one: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2023/10/13/why-cant-people-leave-gaza/71170077007/

And here's a brief explantation re Egypt's 'help' to call for, the Saudi's and Jordan are much keener on keeping the close ties with the West in general - and are folowing the Arab League line (see below) The reason why Epypt won't open its boarders is it's long held foreign policy which this situation compounds. They fear nearly 2 million people crossing the border at Rafah, where don't forget the country is already fighting insurgents of their own and then assuming responsibility for millions of refugees (as a confirmed Brexiteer you might have some sympathy with this policy, no?) Egypt also fears that within these reguees will be insurgents of their own which will want to fight Israel from Epypt and the country doesn't want to enter into a defacto war with Israel by default. 

Also to compound all this, and to follow on from the link above the Rafah crossing is inoperable due to the airstrikes, so even getting cross - especially for the old, sick, young, infirm, is nigh on impossible. 

The Arab League has rejected taking in more people on the basis that this is what Israel wants - to just get rid of the population across other Arab countries, and finally have them removed. So you can see how politically difficult this is.

The US is working with Egypt on boarder crossings, which would be huge amounts of help and aid from the States, and some concessions that the US probably wouldn't want to cede - such as the shitload more money. They Egypt already has a lot of refguees and in taking more the country faces financial ruin due to the preilous state of its economy.

Anyway, don't take my word for it - its all there online, in books, in periodcials, magazines, newspapers etc etc

 

 

Yeah but what's a "boarder crossing" eh eh

[London Wanderer]

Just now, Zico said:

Yeah but what's a "boarder crossing" eh eh

And "what would you dooooooo? If it was me I'd get my baby out there sharpish". 
 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

A protest outside an MPs office. Really? 

Calm down mate

Any windows smashed?

"Target the offices of the MPs who refuse to call for a ceasefire" was the quote

And it's deliberately intimidatory, yes

For one, the MP is unlikely to be there and their staff will no doubt have to bear the brunt of the "protest"

But then again I expect you know this, the trouble is you're being wilfully obtuse because you're main interest is in trolling

[royal white]

34 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

That they've not followed through with their plans and babies have died. 

Do keep up lad

And why haven’t they done that…..there’s a clue in the link I posted, it shows some baddies firing big rockets. 

[MickyD]

54 minutes ago, Zico said:

Yeah but what's a "boarder crossing" eh eh

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

"Target the offices of the MPs who refuse to call for a ceasefire" was the quote

And it's deliberately intimidatory, yes

For one, the MP is unlikely to be there and their staff will no doubt have to bear the brunt of the "protest"

But then again I expect you know this, the trouble is you're being wilfully obtuse because you're main interest is in trolling

Abso fucking lutely. Despite the clear intent, there's nothing to worry about because no windows were broken!

Nothing to worry about outside the school where a teacher and his family have had to go into hiding.

Nothing to worry about in our town, when a similar mob appeared outside the cinema because they weren't happy about a film.

Soon be uproar if "right activists" started mobbing up outside mosques, or the offices of Muslim mps.

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

"Target the offices of the MPs who refuse to call for a ceasefire" was the quote

And it's deliberately intimidatory, yes

For one, the MP is unlikely to be there and their staff will no doubt have to bear the brunt of the "protest"

But then again I expect you know this, the trouble is you're being wilfully obtuse because you're main interest is in trolling

People protest outside MPs offices all the bloody time.

 Like clockwork, for all sorts of reasons.

MPs expect it and so do the staff working there.

 I’ll ask again. Was there any violence? Is it illegal?

If not then let’s move on.

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

And why haven’t they done that…..there’s a clue in the link I posted, it shows some baddies firing big rockets. 

At a different hospital…

but we’ve been over this

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

At a different hospital…

but we’ve been over this

You’re probably best off watching the video of the woman and the baby again. 👍

Edited November 14, 2023 by royal white

[Not in Crawley]

13 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Abso fucking lutely. Despite the clear intent, there's nothing to worry about because no windows were broken!

Nothing to worry about outside the school where a teacher and his family have had to go into hiding.

Nothing to worry about in our town, when a similar mob appeared outside the cinema because they weren't happy about a film.

Soon be uproar if "right activists" started mobbing up outside mosques, or the offices of Muslim mps.

To be fair, and for balance, we had the murder of Jo Cox by a far right terrorist, and then Sir David Amess who was murdered by someone who wanted to seek revenage for Syria bombings.

So, lets not try and get all foamy mouthed and partisan and try and remeber the facts about these sort of things before making ill-judged inflamatory statements about left vs right which does nothing to actually help except grind more axes and fuel more anger.