Meanwhile in Israel

[Ani]

7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I think more if not nearly all were Jewish rather than Israeli so that’s why I said Jews…. And how not sure what the issue ANI has with my original comment. 

Have explained below 75% of Israelis are  Jewish so 25% are not, add in aid workers , it was not an attack just on Jews but anyone who was there. Same with 9/11 it was not just Yanks killed. 

[BobyBrno]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

A ridiculous question then followed by this nonsense.... you been on the golden ale all afternoon?


 

See, I read that and didn’t bother with the rest. It’s not really the way to debate with adults. 

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I think it's pretty clear that encouraging people to target MPs offices for any reason is inflammatory, particularly in the context of this issue

There can be no good reason for it

The mechanism for constituents to discuss matters with their MP exists in the form of constituency surgeries

Beyond that, it's a matter of either agreeing to disagree or opting to simply not vote for them

A simple "no" would have sufficed.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Just now, Cheese said:

A simple "no" would have sufficed.

In my defence, your post suggested you weren't keen on brevity

[London Wanderer]

21 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

It's not relevant if it is itself inflammatory

For example, Braverman's statements would be no less inflammatory or worthy of condemnation even if there had been no "counter-protest" on Saturday or explicit violence against pro-Palestine pritestors because the intent is what matters

Believe there was no malign intent if you want, but I think that belief is naive

It's a 5 second clip. How anyone can believe anything from it is beyond me. Clearly you think he wanted to go out and intimidate people, which I believe is naive given how little know about him or the protest 👍

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Just now, London Wanderer said:

It's a 5 second clip. How anyone can believe anything from it is beyond me. Clearly you think he wanted to go out and intimidate people, which I believe is naive given how little know about him or the protest 👍

Righto 🙄

[London Wanderer]

6 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

See, I read that and didn’t bother with the rest. It’s not really the way to debate with adults. 

And asking them if they are a terrorist sympathiser is 🤣

You don't need to read it. We can leave it there if you wish 👍

Hamas doesn't control every piece of information we get from Gaza, that much is fact. 

Edited November 14, 2023 by London Wanderer

[London Wanderer]

2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Righto 🙄

I'm not dismissing the antisemitism that appears to be rife at the moment and I'm with you that it's a worrying trend. 

I just disagree with you on jumping to conclusions on this one 👍

[Cheese]

7 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

In my defence, your post suggested you weren't keen on brevity

So you agree that forming an opinion about someone/something based on a 5 second clip is silly.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

So you agree that forming an opinion about someone/something based on a 5 second clip is silly.

No

[BobyBrno]

6 minutes ago, Ani said:

Tbf (used that twice now) using the same logic people who do not like the Israeli government are not always anti-Semitic. 

Tbf, people are using the Israeli government as an excuse for their antisemitism. I mentioned earlier in this thread about the battle of Cable St. People like dates. 1936. Before the establishment of the Israeli state. It does of course go back much further but hey ho, another distraction from the current issues that have fuck all to do with us.
We do of course have some moral obligation to be concerned about the genuine fear that Jewish people are feeling here in the UK because of the hate they experience from many.
Well I do. 

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, Cheese said:

So you agree that forming an opinion about someone/something based on a 5 second clip is silly.

How did you form your opinion that there’s no Hamas supporters on here?

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

9 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I'm not dismissing the antisemitism that appears to be rife at the moment and I'm with you that it's a worrying trend. 

I just disagree with you on jumping to conclusions on this one 👍

Fair enough

We'll have to agree to disagree

[Cheese]

Just now, royal white said:

How did you form your opinion that there’s no Hamas supporters on here?

Lapdog jumps in for his Master again 😂

I formed that opinion by reading peoples' posts over the last few weeks....maybe I'm wrong? How did you form your opinion that there are Hamas supporters on here?

[Duck Egg]

3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Tbf, people are using the Israeli government as an excuse for their antisemitism. I mentioned earlier in this thread about the battle of Cable St. People like dates. 1936. Before the establishment of the Israeli state. It does of course go back much further but hey ho, another distraction from the current issues that have fuck all to do with us.
We do of course have some moral obligation to be concerned about the genuine fear that Jewish people are feeling here in the UK because of the hate they experience from many.
Well I do. 

I'm sure that is the case but then the opposite is also true.  People dismiss any and all criticism of Israel as anti semitism. Meanwhile children continue to be killed indiscriminately.

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Lapdog jumps in for his Master again 😂

I formed that opinion by reading peoples' posts over the last few weeks....maybe I'm wrong? How did you form your opinion that there are Hamas supporters on here?

I’ve not and at no point have I said there are. You’d have to be a bit simple to suggest there’s definitely some or definitely none. 

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

I’ve not and at no point have I said there are. You’d have to be a bit simple to suggest there’s definitely some or definitely none. 

OK Lapdog.

[BobyBrno]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Lapdog jumps in for his Master again 😂

I formed that opinion by reading peoples' posts over the last few weeks....maybe I'm wrong? How did you form your opinion that there are Hamas supporters on here?

I hope you’re not referring to me as the ‘master’?

Im anything but.

However,

’In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is king’ 😉

 

[TM Trotter]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It is a shame, it’s also a shame 1400 innocent Jews were murdered by Hamas which triggered this latest round of deaths. If that hadn’t happened none of the Gaza deaths happen. 

Interesting split between the words you've chosen. The "deaths" in Gaza, almost as natural, acceptable and normalised as the passing of your nan. Not "murders", oh no.

Current estimates are at around 11,000 Palestinian deaths in retaliation for 1,400 Israelis. 

Let's flip it.

How many murdered Palestinians equate to one Israeli death? Is 8 a fair number? 

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

I hope you’re not referring to me as the ‘master’?

Im anything but.

However,

’In the kingdom of the blind, the one eyed man is king’ 😉

Another lapdog jumps in ^

[Duck Egg]

 

[Mounts Kipper]

26 minutes ago, Ani said:

Have explained below 75% of Israelis are  Jewish so 25% are not, add in aid workers , it was not an attack just on Jews but anyone who was there. Same with 9/11 it was not just Yanks killed. 

They were after the Jewish Israelis so that makes me right. Jews not Israelis. Glad we got there in the end. 😜

[Ani]

12 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Tbf, people are using the Israeli government as an excuse for their antisemitism. I mentioned earlier in this thread about the battle of Cable St. People like dates. 1936. Before the establishment of the Israeli state. It does of course go back much further but hey ho, another distraction from the current issues that have fuck all to do with us.
We do of course have some moral obligation to be concerned about the genuine fear that Jewish people are feeling here in the UK because of the hate they experience from many.
Well I do. 

You say nothing to do with us, but the impact of the Hamas attack and Israeli reaction is having an impact on people in this country. ( on both sides) .

And yes we should be concerned about it. 

[Ani]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

They were after the Jewish Israelis so that makes me right. Jews not Israelis. Glad we got there in the end. 😜

Apart from you being wrong. Do you think the terrorises were checking foreskins ? Yes they were targeting Jewish Israelis but others were killed, unless you are saying Hamas were very careful ? 

[Mounts Kipper]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

Apart from you being wrong. Do you think the terrorises were checking foreskins ? Yes they were targeting Jewish Israelis but others were killed, unless you are saying Hamas were very careful ? 

I might have been wrong but not as wrong as you.  😜