Meanwhile in Israel

[Ani]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I might have been wrong but not as wrong as you.  😜 

Well we agree you were wrong first. 😎. 
 

 

[London Wanderer]

Bazalel Smotrich - current finance minister under Netanyahu and widely tipped as having a shot at the job of defence minister in the not to distant future. Bezalel Smotrich, the extremist settler, is making his mark on the Israeli government (lemonde.fr)

Describes himself as a "homophobic fascist" and is an advocate for forcibly removing Palestinians from their land. He has said Palestinians have three choices "leave...accept Jewish rule.... or stay and fight". 

An example of the extremists that currently run Israel. They are up there as the countries most hard-line religious government in its history. They do not support the recognition of Palestine as a state. 

Here's what one of their ministers said earlier in the year - " Minister Benny Gantz expressed “fear” over the “extremist direction” of the incoming government, which he said “could cause a security escalation”.

There is no hope for peace whilst Hamas and the current Israeli government are in power. 

[Mounts Kipper]

12 minutes ago, TM Trotter said:

Interesting split between the words you've chosen. The "deaths" in Gaza, almost as natural, acceptable and normalised as the passing of your nan. Not "murders", oh no.

Current estimates are at around 11,000 Palestinian deaths in retaliation for 1,400 Israelis. 

Let's flip it.

How many murdered Palestinians equate to one Israeli death? Is 8 a fair number? 

I used same word “Shame” for Jewish and Muslim deaths so not sure what your point is.  

[BobyBrno]

5 minutes ago, TM Trotter said:

Interesting split between the words you've chosen. The "deaths" in Gaza, almost as natural, acceptable and normalised as the passing of your nan. Not "murders", oh no.

Current estimates are at around 11,000 Palestinian deaths in retaliation for 1,400 Israelis. 

Let's flip it.

How many murdered Palestinians equate to one Israeli death? Is 8 a fair number? 

Let’s flip it. 1400 in one day by terrorists with no strategic outcome.
How many more if Israel didn’t respond? You can ignore the rest of this post and just answer that.

11,000( disputed) in 38 days by a country defending itself from the same terrorists. 
Every one of those lives matter. Unless some of those 11,000 are Hamas of course and they deserve everything they got. 

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

1400 in one day by terrorists with no strategic outcome.

11,000( disputed) in 38 days by a country defending itself from the same terrorists. 
Every one of those lives matter.

You hate the Jews and support Islamic terrorists.

[Casino]

6 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Let’s flip it. 1400 in one day by terrorists with no strategic outcome.
How many more if Israel didn’t respond? You can ignore the rest of this post and just answer that.

11,000( disputed) in 38 days by a country defending itself from the same terrorists. 
Every one of those lives matter. Unless some of those 11,000 are Hamas of course and they deserve everything they got. 

1400 isnt disputed

Its incorrect, but crack on

Not that it matters, tbh

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Yes, it's been revised to 1,200

Although we can now add one more

God knows what she must've experienced prior to her death

[BobyBrno]

5 minutes ago, Casino said:

1400 isnt disputed

Its incorrect, but crack on

Not that it matters, tbh

The 1400 changes by the day. A woman who they thought was kidnapped has, today, been confirmed as dead. Another one murdered by the terrorists, Hamas. One less hostage, one more murdered.
Of all  the things to pick up on, this seems odd. Or maybe not. 

[BobyBrno]

This was the one that I mentioned.

 

[London Wanderer]

17 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Yes, it's been revised to 1,200

Although we can now add one more

God knows what she must've experienced prior to her death

 

11 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

This was the one that I mentioned.

 

Harrowing 

[Casino]

19 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

The 1400 changes by the day. A woman who they thought was kidnapped has, today, been confirmed as dead. Another one murdered by the terrorists, Hamas. One less hostage, one more murdered.
Of all  the things to pick up on, this seems odd. Or maybe not. 

Not odd at all

Youre the one gets hung up on whether the figures can be trusted

Seems fair enough to expect you to be accurate?

[Casino]

16 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

This was the one that I mentioned.

 

Grim

Poor lady

[Not in Crawley]

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

You said you were retiring to the gym. Are you still able to debate? Maybe your Mrs. Can join in when she’s finished her spin class.

And I did, picking the Mrs up on the way. I can ask her but she's warming up the butternut squash pasta for tea.

I can go through my whole day if you want but it's been pretty run of the mill so not sure how interesting it'd be. I did have two meetings one with rubbish coffee and one with excellent coffee and we booked our work Xmas do (couple of days in Gay Paris! Ooh la la) which should be nice. If anyone has some decent central Parisian air bnb tips that'd be great 👍 

[TM Trotter]

2 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Let’s flip it. 1400 in one day by terrorists with no strategic outcome.
How many more if Israel didn’t respond? You can ignore the rest of this post and just answer that.

11,000( disputed) in 38 days by a country defending itself from the same terrorists. 
Every one of those lives matter. Unless some of those 11,000 are Hamas of course and they deserve everything they got. 

Israel had to respond. Of course they did! But where's the line - where do these horrors stop? Is 8 dead Palestinians for every dead Israeli enough of a trade for Netanyahu?

If it *isn't* enough, then boy oh boy, he is hurtling towards a genocide. 

 

[bolty58]

On 13/11/2023 at 21:44, Duck Egg said:

What? Like the poppy seller who was assaulted that you mentioned? To coin a phrase off here, he turned out to be 'a massive bullshitting fanny'. 😀

 

Better than being a white poppied coward I suppose.

[bolty58]

On 13/11/2023 at 22:02, Duck Egg said:

Bolty's post on the Politics thread;

 Elderly poppy sellers and old soldiers abused and attacked over the last few weeks.

He was probably fishing again, the old scamp!

Stop it. Let them work it out FFS.

Now then, ageism again? Pachydermatous R Us.

[bolty58]

On 14/11/2023 at 06:04, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I'm not sure it is a numbers game, or that that's a particularly healthy way to view it

But if has to be a numbers game, then the claimed figures given by the "Palestinian authorities" shouldn't be taken at face value

The gullible, one eyed, terrorist appeasing side won't see this.

[bolty58]

On 14/11/2023 at 06:15, Casino said:

How many would you estimate it to be?

 

Well, based on lies about who blew up a hospital, could be anywhere. Too many, we all agree. I wonder how many of the were out on the streets with hundreds of thousands celebrating when the 7th October atrocity became fully known?

[bolty58]

On 14/11/2023 at 06:28, Casino said:

Im as well placed as you, but im going a fair few 1000s

The number, tbf, isnt that important

The news story is the israelis bombing gaza to bits

Stop bombing when the objective has been achieved and the story might, just might, change

We could agree on this.

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, TM Trotter said:

Israel had to respond. Of course they did! But where's the line - where do these horrors stop? Is 8 dead Palestinians for every dead Israeli enough of a trade for Netanyahu?

If it *isn't* enough, then boy oh boy, he is hurtling towards a genocide. 

 

Genocide. Let's not get into who should have the right to use that word.

The line is very simple. Once Hamas is totally destroyed and their infrastructure likewise then that's the line for a halt. Not one minute before.

Every death, whether the 1200 (or 1400) in Israel or the Palestinian losses since October 7th can be firmly attributed to this terrorist organisation which hides behind women, children, the sick and the infirm. They need to be exterminated and then the two state solution imposed by the rest of the world.

[wanderer1984]

IDF have entered the Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza.

Be interesting to see how this pans out and what they uncover.

[globaldiver]

35 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

IDF have entered the Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza.

Be interesting to see how this pans out and what they uncover.

But but but..

I thought it was just a hospital with sick people and incubator babies.

Just who is shooting at the Israeli soldiers?

[London Wanderer]

Either way.

We can definitely rely on the IDF and Hamas to give us an accurate account of how this bit pans out.

[Spider]

You’d have thought the sick and injured that are in a hospital the IDF have openly targeted for 3 weeks would be moved by Hamas.

Im sure they’re not covering anything up.

I reckon if they’d asked nicely, Hamas would have been allowed to move them all to safety first - even into Israel.

I understand that they “shouldn’t have to”, but being practical, they knew it was coming, so maybe they don’t really give a fuck about them.

Its just a thought.

[wanderer1984]

4 minutes ago, Spider said:

You’d have thought the sick and injured that are in a hospital the IDF have openly targeted for 3 weeks would be moved by Hamas.

Im sure they’re not covering anything up.

I reckon if they’d asked nicely, Hamas would have been allowed to move them all to safety first - even into Israel.

I understand that they “shouldn’t have to”, but being practical, they knew it was coming, so maybe they don’t really give a fuck about them.

Its just a thought.

I'm sure you'll get the same response I got for mentioning something similar a few days ago.