Meanwhile in Israel

[Mounts Kipper]

2 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

What were the catalysts for Hamas to commit their atrocities? 
 

Would they have still done so if Israel hadn’t continued to attack & displace innocent Palestinians?

The Hamas terrorist attack was in response to Israel closing in on a peace deal with Saudi.

Hamas have brought this on the people they are supposed to represent.

Your failure to accept the facts is astounding. 

[BobyBrno]

14 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

It’s been going on for months.

This Israeli military lawyer warned them. It’s widespread.
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/2/22/israel-militarys-top-lawyer-warns-troops-over-improper-conduct-in-gaza

Some night you’re having 😂 you been on the afternoon ale?

 

16 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

 

Some night you’re having 😂 you been on the afternoon ale?

Really? Is that your response to everything? Can you not debate anything without resorting to personal digs. It’s a sign of weakness you know. 

For the record. I’ve been out walking most of the afternoon and posted a few times in various locations including Anglezarke and Belmont moor. 
Im now about to open my wine for the evening.

What are you doing? Fella. 

[BobyBrno]

I’ve just realised that I said that I typed  some script on an electronic device by sticking my finger on an illuminated screen on a device that cost more than my first car in the middle of Belmont moor and some moron thought I was pissed. 
To be fair, 20 years ago , I would have thought the same. 😊

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

42 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

They’re vile.

I doubt that they would have done what they did, at least on that scale, if not for Israeli aggression. 
 

And Israel must be close to butchering 50x the amount Hamas have. Some going to kill that many more innocents than a terrorist organisation. 

My post was simply in response to your claim Hamas wouldn't have committed terrorist atrocities if Israel hadn't been engaged in the forced displacement of Palestinians in the West Bank

A claim that doesn't hold water

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Hamas & Israel have brought this on the people they are supposed to represent.

👍

 

[London Wanderer]

37 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

My post was simply in response to your claim Hamas wouldn't have committed terrorist atrocities if Israel hadn't been engaged in the forced displacement of Palestinians in the West Bank

A claim that doesn't hold water

Do you think if Israel had stopped displacing innocents & stopped the occupation that Hamas would have carried out that scale of attack? 
 

Maybe they would. Hard to say, but you can’t disregard Israeli aggression. Their own defence minister warned them things would escalate if they didn’t rein it in.

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

 

Really? Is that your response to everything? Can you not debate anything without resorting to personal digs. It’s a sign of weakness you know. 

What do you expect when you call folk daft as a brush? 🤣

 I’m more than happy to have a proper discussion. But let’s not pretend your acting any different fella.

 I’ve had a four hour drive up the A9. Been a long week.

Enjoy your wine mate

[BobyBrno]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Do you think if Israel had stopped displacing innocents & stopped the occupation that Hamas would have carried out that scale of attack? 
 

Maybe they would. Hard to say, but you can’t disregard Israeli aggression. Their own defence minister warned them things would escalate if they didn’t rein it in.

Do you think that if Hamas hadn’t declared that they wanted to exterminate Israel that we wouldn’t be here today? Do you not understand what it must be like living side by side with people who want to kill you, every day? So much so that they spend millions to protect themselves from their neighbours.
 

[Mounts Kipper]

21 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

 

Only one side could have prevented this chain of events… I’ll leave you to decide who. You’ll come up with the wrong answer.🤣

Edited March 8, 2024 by Mounts Kipper

[London Wanderer]

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

Do you think that if Hamas hadn’t declared that they wanted to exterminate Israel that we wouldn’t be here today? Do you not understand what it must be like living side by side with people who want to kill you, every day? So much so that they spend millions to protect themselves from their neighbours.
 

I think both Israel & Hamas share responsibility for the situation we’re currently in.

You can take everything you’ve just said & apply it to both sides. Innocent Palestinians live in daily fear on their own land. Settlers attack them & evict them whilst the Israeli government actively supports them. These are extremists who want Arabs to leave the land.

How do you think that feels? When it’s your own home? Or do you only care about the situation Israeli’s are in? 

There’s a plausible case for genocide against Israel currently going through the ICJ. Let that sink in before you take sides 👍

[London Wanderer]

3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Both sides could have prevented this chain of events… 👍

 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

18 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Do you think if Israel had stopped displacing innocents & stopped the occupation that Hamas would have carried out that scale of attack? 
 

Maybe they would. Hard to say, but you can’t disregard Israeli aggression. Their own defence minister warned them things would escalate if they didn’t rein it in.

I think Hamas would take any opportunity they have to inflict violence on Israeli citizens

I'm not sure why stating that equates to denying Israeli aggression 

[Mounts Kipper]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

 

Wrong answer as predicted. 🤣
 

Hamas don’t murder 1300 and 30,000 Palestinians don’t die. 

[BobyBrno]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I think both Israel & Hamas share responsibility for the situation we’re currently in.

You can take everything you’ve just said & apply it to both sides. Innocent Palestinians live in daily fear on their own land. Settlers attack them & evict them whilst the Israeli government actively supports them. These are extremists who want Arabs to leave the land.

How do you think that feels? When it’s your own home? Or do you only care about the situation Israeli’s are in? 

There’s a plausible case for genocide against Israel currently going through the ICJ. Let that sink in before you take sides 👍

You and others constantly talk about sides. It’s Israel v Hamas. 
I’m Israel. How about you. 

[London Wanderer]

4 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

You and others constantly talk about sides. It’s Israel v Hamas. 
I’m Israel. How about you. 

I just said

 Both Israel and Hamas bear responsibility 

Israel needs to get rid of its extremists in power & Palestine needs to get rid of Hamas.

Both are as vile as each other. Good to see public opinion shifting.

Edited March 8, 2024 by London Wanderer

[London Wanderer]

5 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

It’s Israel v Hamas. 
 

Didn’t know Hamas ran the West Bank too

[London Wanderer]

8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Wrong answer as predicted. 🤣
 

Hamas don’t murder 1300 and 30,000 Palestinians don’t die. 

Nobody is denying that 👍 Simply stating both Israel & Hamas have caused this.

 

[BobyBrno]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Didn’t know Hamas ran the West Bank too

Neither did I. Has something happened?

 

 

[London Wanderer]

2 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Neither did I. Has something happened?

 

 

Thought it was as simple as Israel vs Hamas? 
 

You’ve got to disregard the rest of Palestine  if you’re making statements like that

[Mounts Kipper]

23 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I just said

 Both Israel and Hamas bear responsibility 

Israel needs to get rid of its extremists in power & Palestine needs to get rid of Hamas.

Both are as vile as each other. Good to see public opinion shifting.

Israel is a democracy, shame about Palestine, shame the Palestinians can’t get shut of Hamas, the stated position of Hamas makes peace impossible and war inevitable… seems to me the Islamic world is happy to see fellow Muslims from Palestinians sacrificed…. Palestine be better turning against Hamas & Islam. 

Edited March 8, 2024 by Mounts Kipper

[BobyBrno]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Thought it was as simple as Israel vs Hamas? 
 

You’ve got to disregard the rest of Palestine  if you’re making statements like that

No. If you include the Palestinians in the West Bank and add them to those in Gaza who didn’t vote for Hamas,  they would outnumber those that support Hamas. Do you agree? 
So, in my simple maths, most people don’t want Hamas anywhere near Gaza/Israel. Do you agree.

So, Israel or Hamas?

[London Wanderer]

6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Israel is a democracy, shame about Palestine, shame the Palestinians can’t get shut of Hamas, the stated position of Hamas makes peace impossible and war inevitable… seems to me the Islamic world is happy to see fellow Muslims from Palestinians sacrificed…. Palestine be better turning against Hamas & Islam. 

You think Palestine needs to get rid of Islam as well as Hamas 😂😂 what are you talking about now?

The stated position of the current Israeli government also makes peace impossible. They don’t think Palestine has the right to be a country for a start.

Being a democracy doesn’t prevent extremists gaining power 👍 

[BobyBrno]

13 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

 

Being a democracy doesn’t prevent extremists gaining power 👍 

Agreed. Israel has to have an election before 2026. How about Gaza. They haven’t had one since 2006 and probably won’t have one until Israel takes control. Which they will. 

[BobyBrno]

Another day and another nutter. It’s not Barclays, it’s not Bolton and it probably didn’t make the news. 
Wonder when the book burning starts. 

 

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Another day and another nutter. It’s not Barclays, it’s not Bolton and it probably didn’t make the news. 
Wonder when the book burning starts. 

 

I stand by my earlier post….its an illness. Has to be.