Meanwhile in Israel

[bolty58]

5 hours ago, Casino said:

 

Only asking as i thought we werent to believe owt the UN say

I think you would have guessed that's why I posted it. Shocked to hear them say anything which may be regarded as 'unpleasant' about those poor, downtrodden lovely lads in Gaza.

You believe whatever you want. Time for Israel to finish the task and get all this over and done with.

[Traf]

How long before Hamas start sending Israeli hostages back piece by piece?

[bolty58]

7 hours ago, Traf said:

How long before Hamas start sending Israeli hostages back piece by piece?

When they get bored with rape?

[Not in Crawley]

8 hours ago, bolty58 said:

I think you would have guessed that's why I posted it. Shocked to hear them say anything which may be regarded as 'unpleasant' about those poor, downtrodden lovely lads in Gaza.

You believe whatever you want. Time for Israel to finish the task and get all this over and done with.

So a sort of final solution if you will.

Pranny.

[Casino]

i read last night that 45000 jews were murdered at belsen

im no great student of history but i always had that as one of the great atrocities

israel, when theyve finished, will kill more than that in Gaza

[Not in Crawley]

5 minutes ago, Casino said:

i read last night that 45000 jews were murdered at belsen

im no great student of history but i always had that as one of the great atrocities

israel, when theyve finished, will kill more than that in Gaza

I sang that as the opening line from Last Night I Dreamt Somebody Loved Me...

Anyway, the fact that people like Bolty can't see where their attitude dovetails with this is the really concerning part, I mean its always a zero sum game to compare genocidal attrocities in equivalence but we are witnessing something we haven't seen in a long time and you could argue this is extermination in all but name without turning into a drama queen.

[bolty58]

16 hours ago, Casino said:

i read last night that 45000 jews were murdered at belsen

im no great student of history but i always had that as one of the great atrocities

israel, when theyve finished, will kill more than that in Gaza

I believe that there is a definition within the UN or some other such organisation that comparing the actions of Israel in recent activities which are centred on defence to the horrors of the holocaust is officially anti-semitic.

Hang your head in shame and vote Labour.

[Mounts Kipper]

On 05/03/2024 at 13:43, Zico said:

agree with the first bit

but the bit in bold

isn't that what they are already doing?

been plenty anti government protests from the locals who feel that the hostages are being forgotten about by the government as they go on the rampage

also been suggested that netanyahu ignored security warnings about what was going to happen so as to have a reason to go off on one, which if true wouldn't surprise me

Who suggested this? And you wouldn’t be surprised, Deary me! 
 

Have you forgot why the initial atrocity occurred? I’ll remind you Hamas were pissed off because Nethanyahu was close to doing a peace deal with Saudi… and wanted to derail it. Takes some mental gymnastics to come up with it being Nethanyahu bidding all of this. 

Edited March 7, 2024 by Mounts Kipper

[Zico]

44 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Who suggested this? And you wouldn’t be surprised, Deary me! 
 

Have you forgot why the initial atrocity occurred? I’ll remind you Hamas were pissed off because Nethanyahu was close to doing a peace deal with Saudi… and wanted to derail it. Takes some mental gymnastics to come up with it being Nethanyahu bidding all of this. 

Don't recall who suggested it, can't find anything in print but all things considered it's surprising they were able to carry out the attacks 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/

Also interesting from that article 

Makes you wonder why they have taken the approach they have 

It claimed to know the precise locations of Hamas leadership and appeared to prove it through the targeted killing of terror leaders in surgical strikes, sometimes while they slept in their bedrooms. Israel has known where to strike underground tunnels used by Hamas to ferry around fighters and arms, destroying miles (kilometers) of the concealed passageways.

[Mounts Kipper]

4 minutes ago, Zico said:

Don't recall who suggested it, can't find anything in print but all things considered it's surprising they were able to carry out the attacks 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/

Also interesting from that article 

Makes you wonder why they have taken the approach they have 

It claimed to know the precise locations of Hamas leadership and appeared to prove it through the targeted killing of terror leaders in surgical strikes, sometimes while they slept in their bedrooms. Israel has known where to strike underground tunnels used by Hamas to ferry around fighters and arms, destroying miles (kilometers) of the concealed passageways.

The warnings from Egypt were vague, no detail of where, when or how.

A major security failure yes, that Netanyahu turned a blind eye so he could wreak vengeance Im not having it.

[Casino]

Im sorry, anybody claiming, as you repeatedly do, that all this started in October is best ignored

Its like saying bwfcs problems started when we appointed Parkinson

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

58 minutes ago, Zico said:

Don't recall who suggested it, can't find anything in print but all things considered it's surprising they were able to carry out the attacks 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/

Also interesting from that article 

Makes you wonder why they have taken the approach they have 

It claimed to know the precise locations of Hamas leadership and appeared to prove it through the targeted killing of terror leaders in surgical strikes, sometimes while they slept in their bedrooms. Israel has known where to strike underground tunnels used by Hamas to ferry around fighters and arms, destroying miles (kilometers) of the concealed passageways.

A bit tin foil hatted

[Zico]

1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

A bit tin foil hatted

Aye 

It still wouldn't surprise me though 

He's a man on a mission 

Knee jerk reaction? 

seems cold bloodied and calculated rather that impulsive blind rage 

I'm sure he relished this opportunity to lay destruction on Palestine

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

The warnings from Egypt were vague, no detail of where, when or how.

I wouldn't expect them to know precise details 

But seems we agree Israel had some sort of warning 

Whereas BN says it's fake news and no warnings were received

[Farrelli]

19 minutes ago, Casino said:

Im sorry, anybody claiming, as you repeatedly do, that all this started in October is best ignored

Its like saying bwfcs problems started when we appointed Parkinson

Aye and anyone who thinks this will destroy Hamas is also deluded. Israel are creating the next Hamas terrorists with their actions. This is genocide and will ultimately lead to bigger problems for Israel. 

[BobyBrno]

Labour removed support for Azhar Ali for his conspiracy theories on the 7th October attack.

Kate Osamor had the Labour whip removed for comparing Gaza with the Holocaust. 

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

55 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Aye and anyone who thinks this will destroy Hamas is also deluded. Israel are creating the next Hamas terrorists with their actions. This is genocide and will ultimately lead to bigger problems for Israel. 

Quite possible, but not guaranteed. Hitler and his ilk were removed, and Germany hasn't gone back.

Of course some supporters will have been created, but from Israel's point of view, they have degraded the capability of carrying out continued rocket attacks, removed the tunnels and destroyed training facilities.

 

[Farrelli]

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Quite possible, but not guaranteed. Hitler and his ilk were removed, and Germany hasn't gone back.

Of course some supporters will have been created, but from Israel's point of view, they have degraded the capability of carrying out continued rocket attacks, removed the tunnels and destroyed training facilities.

 

21st century Terrorist organisations are a bit different to how Nazi Germany operated in 1940. This will not be something Israel can defeat militarily. At some point they have to co-exist with their neighbours and genocide is not a good thing to bring to the negotiating table.

[Zico]

3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Quite possible, but not guaranteed. Hitler and his ilk were removed, and Germany hasn't gone back.

Of course some supporters will have been created, but from Israel's point of view, they have degraded the capability of carrying out continued rocket attacks, removed the tunnels and destroyed training facilities.

 

I thought they alraedy had the iron dome for that?

[Casino]

7 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

 

Kate Osamor had the Labour whip removed for comparing Gaza with the Holocaust. 

 

well, she had the whip removed for saying it should be part of holocaust memorial day, i think

when you consider that this (below) is commemorated, i'm thinking she is right as its not limited to jewish victims of the nazis

 

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In July 1995, with the back drop of the ongoing war, Bosnian Serb troops and paramilitaries led by Ratko Mladić descended on the town of Srebrenica and began shelling it. Around 8,000 Muslim men, and boys over 12 years old, were murdered in Srebrenica.

 

the only case against her is an argument that what is happening in Gaza isnt genocide?

[BobyBrno]

16 minutes ago, Casino said:

well, she had the whip removed for saying it should be part of holocaust memorial day, i think

when you consider that this (below) is commemorated, i'm thinking she is right as its not limited to jewish victims of the nazis

 

 

the only case against her is an argument that what is happening in Gaza isnt genocide?

It made it worse because of the occasion but:

‘Shadow business secretary Jonathan Reynolds said it was not acceptable to equate the Holocaust to the situation in Gaza. 

"What is happening in Gaza is clearly a humanitarian catastrophe that is recognised. But there are specific reasons why the Holocaust is considered as it is," he told Sky News.’

Just pointing out Labours position on this. My own view is that Labour are right.

[Casino]

Maybe Labour dont understand that HMD is not just about the holocaust

Or they think its not genocide

Ill have an internet tenner that the whip is (rightly) restored

[BobyBrno]

5 minutes ago, Casino said:

Maybe Labour dont understand that HMD is not just about the holocaust

Or they think its not genocide

Ill have an internet tenner that the whip is (rightly) restored

It probably will be. The point has been made. (rightly)

There are lots of things Labour don’t understand. 😊

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 hours ago, Zico said:

I thought they alraedy had the iron dome for that?

That's ok then!

A ridiculous notion if I ever heard one.

Perhaps they have the right to peaceful existence like anyone else, without needing to spend enormous amounts on a defensive capability.

Even then, it's not 100% effective and they sometimes get through. 

It's amazing really that this war didn't happen earlier.

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

That's ok then!

A ridiculous notion if I ever heard one.

I was thinking more along the lines of Hamas hadn't been firing rockets to start this latest escalation 

They did it with paragliders and close combat 

Israel may have degraded the ability of Hamas to fire continuous rocket attacks 

But that wasn't happening before October 8th as far as I'm aware and if it was, they have the dome

So I doubt it was an objective of this latest round of fighting