Meanwhile in Israel

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

A good honest appraisal of the situation. 
 

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/28/escalation-lebanon-israelis-benjamin-netanyahu-hamas-hezbollah

Aye, a good read. 

Personally, I think they've got the right approach with Hezbollah and can understand why they would want to take out their key leaders and create a buffer zone. Hopefully they don't target dozens of innocent people for the sake of one low ranking official, which is why the death toll is Gaza has been so brutally high. So far it appears to have been high level officers only in Lebanon. 

And they can focus on the threats as much as they want. But they have to look at themselves in equal measure. The settler violence has to end, the grabbing of ever more land has to end and they have to accept the reality that some land must be returned. Until Israel does this, then they hold no moral high ground over those groups who threaten their existence. If the ICJ court rule it to be genocide then the support of the West will be questioned with more scrutiny than ever before. 

From the article,

and an answer to real, not simply declarative, Palestinian statehood. And this time we need to make it stick. Otherwise the pain we are seeing now will not simply not go away. It will get a lot worse.

[kent_white]

4 hours ago, Casino said:

Iran v israel?

Be like us v arsenal and iran would be in red and white

Maybe - if it was a ground war. But I think if they're lobbing rockets at each other and relying on air power then Israel would have the upper hand. Even if Iran ordered it's proxies to attack the IDF. 

Iran would have to cross through Iraq and Syria to reach Israel with it's land forces and the coalition would jump in by that point. 

More likely they will be missiles criss crossing those countries. 

He says - as an armchair general in Astley Bridge and watching a few YouTube videos 😁

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, kent_white said:

Teetotal at the moment. 

I genuinely think as an isolationist politician - Trump would have wanted nothing to do with a war with Germany at the outset of WW2. 

Do you genuinely think he would have jumped in where FD Roosevelt didn't? 

Convinced Groucho Marx would have head butted the Dibley poisoner given the opportunity.

[Dimron]

2 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

Aye, a good read. 

Personally, I think they've got the right approach with Hezbollah and can understand why they would want to take out their key leaders and create a buffer zone. Hopefully they don't target dozens of innocent people for the sake of one low ranking official, which is why the death toll is Gaza has been so brutally high. So far it appears to have been high level officers only in Lebanon. 

And they can focus on the threats as much as they want. But they have to look at themselves in equal measure. The settler violence has to end, the grabbing of ever more land has to end and they have to accept the reality that some land must be returned. Until Israel does this, then they hold no moral high ground over those groups who threaten their existence. If the ICJ court rule it to be genocide then the support of the West will be questioned with more scrutiny than ever before. 

From the article,

and an answer to real, not simply declarative, Palestinian statehood. And this time we need to make it stick. Otherwise the pain we are seeing now will not simply not go away. It will get a lot worse.

This appeared in today's Guardian and makes an interesting read

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/27/un-hostility-will-not-trouble-netanyahu-but-now-he-has-angered-the-us-lebanon-ceasefire

[Dimron]

2 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

Aye, a good read. 

Personally, I think they've got the right approach with Hezbollah and can understand why they would want to take out their key leaders and create a buffer zone. Hopefully they don't target dozens of innocent people for the sake of one low ranking official, which is why the death toll is Gaza has been so brutally high. So far it appears to have been high level officers only in Lebanon. 

And they can focus on the threats as much as they want. But they have to look at themselves in equal measure. The settler violence has to end, the grabbing of ever more land has to end and they have to accept the reality that some land must be returned. Until Israel does this, then they hold no moral high ground over those groups who threaten their existence. If the ICJ court rule it to be genocide then the support of the West will be questioned with more scrutiny than ever before. 

From the article,

and an answer to real, not simply declarative, Palestinian statehood. And this time we need to make it stick. Otherwise the pain we are seeing now will not simply not go away. It will get a lot worse.

Looks like they got the bastard

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981g8mrl8lt

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 hours ago, kent_white said:

Maybe - if it was a ground war. But I think if they're lobbing rockets at each other and relying on air power then Israel would have the upper hand. Even if Iran ordered it's proxies to attack the IDF. 

Iran would have to cross through Iraq and Syria to reach Israel with it's land forces and the coalition would jump in by that point. 

More likely they will be missiles criss crossing those countries. 

He says - as an armchair general in Astley Bridge and watching a few YouTube videos 😁

There is only one winner in a direct conflict between Iran and Israel. Whichever way it's fought.

A clear reason why the Tehran terrorists use proxies.

Additionally, their economy is dropping, and they're sending shit loads to Russia.

Never be a better time for Israel to hit them. Not that they will, nor probably need to.

[Whitestar]

Looks like its gonna kick off, Mr dead has said.

I know a middle aged lady who is Iranian (i think she's well fit) anyway i can remember as a kid there was a conflict between iran & iraq , meant absolutely nothing to kids in the UK but i can remember thinking i would be team Iraq.

What was the result anyway?, i lost interest. 

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

26 minutes ago, Whitestar said:

Looks like its gonna kick off, Mr dead has said.

I know a middle aged lady who is Iranian (i think she's well fit) anyway i can remember as a kid there was a conflict between iran & iraq , meant absolutely nothing to kids in the UK but i can remember thinking i would be team Iraq.

What was the result anyway?, i lost interest. 

 

Both lost I reckon. 

Though obviously plenty of Iranian influence there now: Sadam's ousting certainly opened the doors for them.

[BobyBrno]

After the elimination of old Nasrallah, they appointed Hassan Khalil Yassin as his replacement. The Israelis killed him as well. Who’s next?

[Casino]

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

There is only one winner in a direct conflict between Iran and Israel. Whichever way it's fought.

A clear reason why the Tehran terrorists use proxies.

Additionally, their economy is dropping, and they're sending shit loads to Russia.

Never be a better time for Israel to hit them. Not that they will, nor probably need to.

The israeli economy is struggling too

Folk dont like regimes who kill kids

[Zico]

5 hours ago, Dimron said:

This appeared in today's Guardian and makes an interesting read

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/27/un-hostility-will-not-trouble-netanyahu-but-now -he-has-angered-the-us-lebanon-ceasefire

Why don't Israel just leave the UN if they don't like it?

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Both lost I reckon. 

Though obviously plenty of Iranian influence there now: Sadam's ousting certainly opened the doors for them.

What a tragic mistake that was. Another feather in the cap of Mr. Bliar.

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, Zico said:

Why don't Israel just leave the UN if they don't like it?

Why don't we all? Seems a pointless toothless tiger these days anyway.

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

The israeli economy is struggling too

Folk dont like regimes who kill kids

War kills kids. Just remember who lit the fuse on October 7th.

[Winchester White]

Just now, bolty58 said:

War kills kids. Just remember who lit the fuse on October 7th.

If you think this all started on October 7th you are even more dense than I gave you credit for.

[royal white]

31 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

If you think this all started on October 7th you are even more dense than I gave you credit for.

When did it start? 

[bolty58]

3 hours ago, royal white said:

When did it start? 

'Dense' coming from a thick as mince dolt like him  

Maybe I should have said the current flare up of a problem which arguably started a couple of thousand years ago when the fairy tales were being concocted? I didn't as I was anticipating that he'd probably have corrected 'current' to 'currant'.

Edited September 29, 2024 by bolty58

[Dimron]

11 hours ago, royal white said:

When did it start? 

1947

[Dimron]

12 hours ago, bolty58 said:

What a tragic mistake that was. Another feather in the cap of Mr. Bliar.

Not to mention Cameron & Co ousting Gadafi without a plan

[Dimron]

21 hours ago, Zico said:

Why don't Israel just leave the UN if they don't like it?

One of the very first acts of the UN was to create an independent Zionist state of Israel to co-exist alongside Palestine.

Thirty years later as the Arab Sates developed and became full members they voted through a motion that declared Zionism was racist and discriminatory and therefor illegal under their international laws.

Israel's existence has made them pariahs within the very organisation that created their state.

Figure that one out if you can...

[bolty58]

13 hours ago, Dimron said:

Not to mention Cameron & Co ousting Gadafi without a plan

The elimination of Saddam and Gaddafi unleashed the likes of IS etc. They warned us that it would too. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

I think the situation with the colonel was a bit different. Iirc, it was all part of the Arab spring, with uprisings galore. Clearly, Western nations were happy to help, but I think the Libyan regime would have fallen anyway. 

[BobyBrno]

The connection between UNRWA and Hamas has consistently been denied. 
 

 

[Dimron]

39 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

The connection between UNRWA and Hamas has consistently been denied. 
 

 

And all mainly funded by the US, EU and UK

[Sweep]

13 hours ago, bolty58 said:

The elimination of Saddam and Gaddafi unleashed the likes of IS etc. 

can't argue with that