Meanwhile in Israel

[Dimron]

I've long held the opinion that some cultures need dictators to hold the country together... it might not be our idea of "democracy" but the schools are open and buses run on time (Afghanistan excluded). If you keep your head down you can live a reasonable life, see your children do well and moan about politics in coffee shops and the like... its the nutcases who want to change the world who are the dangerous ones

[Cheese]

Just now, Dimron said:

I've long held the opinion that some cultures need dictators to hold the country together... it might not be our idea of "democracy" but the schools are open and buses run on time (Afghanistan excluded). If you keep your head down you can live a reasonable life, see your children do well and moan about politics in coffee shops and the like... its the nutcases who want to change the world who are the dangerous ones

So you'd be happy to live under a dictator?

[Sweep]

15 minutes ago, Cheese said:

So you'd be happy to live under a dictator?

He's not said that. As usual though, you just want to act the cunt for the sake of it.

[Dimron]

12 minutes ago, Cheese said:

So you'd be happy to live under a dictator?

In some ways I already do, he is called Charles.

I'd rather that than see my local society break down in the name of some foreign concept of government.

A lot of "countries" were formed after WW2 by former colonists drawing straight lines onto maps virtually ignoring the tribal cultures within and being expected to become citizens although they have hated each other for thousands of years.

The likes of Saddam (and even Putin) can be the glue that holds the society together and when they go a huge and lawless vacuum emerges

[Casino]

14 hours ago, bolty58 said:

The elimination of Saddam and Gaddafi unleashed the likes of IS etc. They warned us that it would too. 

a technicality but didn't more tories vote for the invasion than commies?

[Sweep]

4 minutes ago, Casino said:

a technicality but didn't more tories vote for the invasion than commies?

yes, but, but Jeremy Corbyn

[Tonge moor green jacket]

31 minutes ago, Casino said:

a technicality but didn't more tories vote for the invasion than commies?

If you're referring to Blair and the vote on the war on Iraq, then absolutely not.

Labour had vastly more mps and almost twice as many Labour mps voted for it than Conservative. 

A chunk of labour's mps voted against, as did the lib dems, but it was still a large majority for.

The support for the UN resolution to go for The colonel, was a huge vote for (over 500).

A fair number abstained, and 13 voted against.

Exactly how the for vote was comprised, I've no idea.

[Cheese]

40 minutes ago, Dimron said:

In some ways I already do, he is called Charles.

I'd rather that than see my local society break down in the name of some foreign concept of government.

A lot of "countries" were formed after WW2 by former colonists drawing straight lines onto maps virtually ignoring the tribal cultures within and being expected to become citizens although they have hated each other for thousands of years.

The likes of Saddam (and even Putin) can be the glue that holds the society together and when they go a huge and lawless vacuum emerges

As I said the other day, you'd have been a big fan of Adolf.

[Cheese]

45 minutes ago, Sweep said:

He's not said that. As usual though, you just want to act the cunt for the sake of it.

No, he's basically saying he thinks inferior races/cultures should be ruled by dictators.

[Sweep]

18 minutes ago, Cheese said:

No, he's basically saying he thinks inferior races/cultures should be ruled by dictators.

Sorry, I didn't see him use the word "inferior", you're right to call him out to if he did that

[Casino]

41 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

If you're referring to Blair and the vote on the war on Iraq, then absolutely not.

 

Exactly how the for vote was comprised, I've no idea.

fair enough, just looked it up

i think its fair to say there was more support amongst tory mps than labour

 

labour for 254 against 84

tories for 146 against 2

 

412 votes out of 659 voted attack, attack, attack

 

there were 166 tory MPs in total so they couldve defeated the motion

fwiw, id have voted to go in too

[Cheese]

48 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Sorry, I didn't see him use the word "inferior", you're right to call him out to if he did that

Definitely implied it.

"I've long held the opinion that some cultures need dictators to hold the country together"

Edited September 30 by Cheese

[Sweep]

9 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Definitely implied it.

"I've long held the opinion that some cultures need dictators to hold the country together"

So, it was you who used the word inferior, not him. That makes sense now. 

Cheese, in making stuff up, just to try and get a reaction shocker!

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Sweep said:

So, it was you who used the word inferior, not him. That makes sense now. 

Cheese, in making stuff up, just to try and get a reaction shocker!

Deary me.

[Dimron]

2 hours ago, Cheese said:

As I said the other day, you'd have been a big fan of Adolf.

Hitler was an elected popularist  politician who needed to be liked. I have learned from 40 odd years of managing construction sites that likability is a weakness so not very good analogy.

I've been thinking of which dictator most suited me, at first thought Napoleon but he was too expansionist so settled on Fidel Castro, he focused on defending his bit of the planet right under the noses of the biggest western "democracy"

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

As an aside, in no sense is Prince Charles a dictator

[Casino]

4 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

As an aside, in no sense is Prince Charles a dictator

i thought it best not to feed the troll

[Dimron]

2 hours ago, Cheese said:

No, he's basically saying he thinks inferior races/cultures should be ruled by dictators.

I was stating that there has to be a natural order in any society whether it's a pack of hyenas or a shoal of fish... "inferiority" is not a word I would opt for because that implies an arrogance that our political system or culture is superior.

I have travelled to countries with dictators and the day-to day routines have been the same as ours, schools, work, trams/trains, hospitals... they have local elections where councils and mayors are elected, taxes are paid and people moan about the economy but the difference is if your speak out against central government then you are dead meat. 

[Dimron]

6 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

As an aside, in no sense is Prince Charles a dictator

Agreed... but he is an unelected head of state receiving money from the population and could be seen as one from the outside

[Cheese]

Just now, Dimron said:

I was stating that there has to be a natural order in any society whether it's a pack of hyenas or a shoal of fish... "inferiority" is not a word I would opt for because that implies an arrogance that our political system or culture is superior.

I have travelled to countries with dictators and the day-to day routines have been the same as ours, schools, work, trams/trains, hospitals... they have local elections where councils and mayors are elected, taxes are paid and people moan about the economy but the difference is if your speak out against central government then you are dead meat. 

So which "cultures" are better off being run by dictators, and how did you come to that conclusion? I assume your own "culture" is not one of them?

[Dimron]

4 minutes ago, Cheese said:

So which "cultures" are better off being run by dictators, and how did you come to that conclusion? I assume your own "culture" is not one of them?

I stated earlier, the post WW2 carve up of the Middle East put traditionally warring tribes inside new state boundaries (literally straight lines in the sand), the only way they could be kept in order was by western supported dictators. I have mused what Russia would be like without Putin, a right old Pandora box with all the rusting nuclear reactors and submarines and tin pot states.

Back to thread, Israel was created by UN Resolution as part of this big carve up only to be virtually rescinded 30 years later by another resolution deciding Zionism was racist and therefore illegal

[Not in Crawley]

20 minutes ago, Dimron said:

I was stating that there has to be a natural order in any society whether it's a pack of hyenas or a shoal of fish... "inferiority" is not a word I would opt for because that implies an arrogance that our political system or culture is superior.

I have travelled to countries with dictators and the day-to day routines have been the same as ours, schools, work, trams/trains, hospitals... they have local elections where councils and mayors are elected, taxes are paid and people moan about the economy but the difference is if your speak out against central government then you are dead meat. 

It's all a bit Franco made the trains run on time...

[Dimron]

21 minutes ago, Cheese said:

So which "cultures" are better off being run by dictators, and how did you come to that conclusion? I assume your own "culture" is not one of them?

Sorry missed that bit... the culture I belong to is governed with almost two thirds of the parliamentary seats being held by the party that obtained just one third of the votes... are we that much fairer than "dictators"

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Yes

[Cheese]

22 minutes ago, Dimron said:

I stated earlier, the post WW2 carve up of the Middle East put traditionally warring tribes inside new state boundaries (literally straight lines in the sand), the only way they could be kept in order was by western supported dictators. I have mused what Russia would be like without Putin, a right old Pandora box with all the rusting nuclear reactors and submarines and tin pot states.

Back to thread, Israel was created by UN Resolution as part of this big carve up only to be virtually rescinded 30 years later by another resolution deciding Zionism was racist and therefore illegal

 

12 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Sorry missed that bit... the culture I belong to is governed with almost two thirds of the parliamentary seats being held by the party that obtained just one third of the votes... are we that much fairer than "dictators"

It's pretty clear you think brown people should be governed by dictators, while you and your "culture" deserve better.

Edited September 30 by Cheese