Jump to content
Wanderers Ways. Neil Thompson 1961-2021

Meanwhile in Israel

wanderer1984

By wanderer1984
in Behind The Stands

 Share

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 13.3k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Popular Posts

Zico
Zico

One thing is clear It will never end This conflict will just go on and on Neither side will back down, neither will ever stop they'll just keep on going at each other It's per

Traf
Traf

There is no explanation. Bombing schools & hospitals is the work of evil cunts, no matter what flag you do it under.

Traf
Traf

The Israelis could literally walk into an orphanage with flame throwers and some people wouldn't bat an eyelid.

Posted Images

London Wanderer

London Wanderer

Posted
Posted

I think that given today you’ve got the IDF admitting they’ve opened fire at the aid centre. And over the weekend you’ve got evidence of Hamas involvement. 
 

That the evidence is pretty clear of both sides being as bad as each other. There’s a reason the current food situation is so desperate.

 Put the current Israeli government & settlers in the same category as Hamas & suddenly you’re a terrorist supporter? it’s all the fella ever has to argue back. Surely he can do better 🥱🥱

 

royal white

royal white

Posted
Posted (edited)
52 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I think that given today you’ve got the IDF admitting they’ve opened fire at the aid centre. And over the weekend you’ve got evidence of Hamas involvement. 
 

That the evidence is pretty clear of both sides being as bad as each other. There’s a reason the current food situation is so desperate.

 Put the current Israeli government & settlers in the same category as Hamas & suddenly you’re a terrorist supporter? it’s all the fella ever has to argue back. Surely he can do better 🥱🥱

 

IDF troops are not preventing the arrival of Gazan civilians to the humanitarian aid distribution sites. The warning shots were fired approximately half a kilometer away from the humanitarian aid distribution site toward several suspects who advanced toward the troops in such a way that posed a threat to them.”

 

From the IDF 

Edited by royal white
Sweep

Sweep

Posted
Posted

In all this, have Israel said why they won't allow the International Press into Gaza, surely if they did, that could put to bed some of these "theories" that the IDF are just up to no good. Let the Press in, and let them report. Or am I over thinking it?

Bertie

Bertie

Posted
Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, Sweep said:

In all this, have Israel said why they won't allow the International Press into Gaza, surely if they did, that could put to bed some of these "theories" that the IDF are just up to no good. Let the Press in, and let them report. Or am I over thinking it?

Good question.  Suspect not directed at me, but objectively I can (only) think of 3 reasons?

Israel are concerned for the safety of journalists.

Israel are concerned the presence of journalists may give away sensitive military information (eg locations).

Israel are concerned journalists may report things they don’t want reported.

All valid however suspect there will be two schools of thought on here. 

Edited by Bertie
Sweep

Sweep

Posted
Posted
14 minutes ago, Bertie said:

Good question.  Suspect not directed at me, but objectively I can (only) think of 3 reasons?

Israel are concerned for the safety of journalists.

Israel are concerned the presence of journalists may give away sensitive military information (eg locations).

Israel are concerned journalists may report things they don’t want reported.

All valid however suspect there will be two schools of thought on here. 

Not directed at you, or anybody else.

I'd think the highlighted bit, but maybe wrong.

I guess they (Israel) may also be concerned that journalists could be targeted for kidnap by Hamas, but I guess just as likely to be caught up in indiscriminate bombing

Either way, it seems odd to me that there aren't any journalists on the ground

London Wanderer

London Wanderer

Posted
Posted
8 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Not directed at you, or anybody else.

I'd think the highlighted bit, but maybe wrong.

I guess they (Israel) may also be concerned that journalists could be targeted for kidnap by Hamas, but I guess just as likely to be caught up in indiscriminate bombing

Either way, it seems odd to me that there aren't any journalists on the ground

https://cpj.org/2023/10/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-gaza-conflict/amp/
 

To date, CPJ has determined that at least 17 journalists and two media workers were directly targeted by Israeli forces in killings which CPJ classifies as murders: Issam Abdallah, Hamza Al Dahdouh, Mustafa Thuraya, Ismail Al Ghoul, Rami Al Refee, Ghassan Najjar, Wissam Kassem, Mohammed Reda, Ayman Al Gedi, Faisal Abu Al Qumsan, Mohammed Al-Ladaa, Fadi Hassouna, Ibrahim Sheikh Ali, Mahmoud Islim Al-Basos, Hossam Shabat, Hilmi al-Faqaawi, and Ahmed Mansour.

CPJ is still researching the details for confirmation in at least 20 other cases that indicate possible targeting.

CPJ is also investigating numerous unconfirmed reports of other journalists being killed, missing, detained, hurt, or threatened, and of damage to media offices and journalists’ homes.

London Wanderer

London Wanderer

Posted
Posted
5 hours ago, royal white said:

IDF troops are not preventing the arrival of Gazan civilians to the humanitarian aid distribution sites. The warning shots were fired approximately half a kilometer away from the humanitarian aid distribution site toward several suspects who advanced toward the troops in such a way that posed a threat to them.”

 

From the IDF 

They’re not making it safe either way.

 From the same article

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said its troops fired shots after identifying suspects who moved towards them "deviating from the designated access routes".

Israel previously denied shooting Palestinians in a similar incident on Sunday which the Hamas-run health ministry said killed 31 people and injured nearly 200.

Its denial was in direct contradiction to what dozens of civilian witnesses, NGOs, and health officials said.

Following Tuesday morning's incident, the director of Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis, Atef Al-Hout, described 24 dead and 37 wounded arriving with gunshot injuries, saying Israeli forces had opened fire on "crowds of civilians waiting for aid in western Rafah."

The article then goes on to describe journalist accounts of people being shot at from all directions whilst walking to the distribution centre.

 You can see why this new aid distribution method was so widely criticised before. 

London Wanderer

London Wanderer

Posted
Posted (edited)
9 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

So journalists are allowed in. Over 180 killed according to the report. 
 

The first casualty of war, the truth.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/26/bbc-jeremy-bowen-accuses-israel-blocking-journalists-gaza

Bit of an odd deflection.

It doesn’t mean that Palestinian journalists haven’t reported from Gaza. Or independent NGOs. 

Those deliberately targeted appear to be Palestinian. 
 

 

Edited by London Wanderer
BobyBrno

BobyBrno

Posted
Posted
23 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/26/bbc-jeremy-bowen-accuses-israel-blocking-journalists-gaza

Bit of an odd deflection.

It doesn’t mean that Palestinian journalists haven’t reported from Gaza. Or independent NGOs. 

Those deliberately targeted appear to be Palestinian. 
 

 

Not a deflection and not odd at all. Over 180 journalists killed. What is that as a proportion of journalists actually there? I’ve seen a list of the journalists killed. Not all Palestinian. Some independent and some from other Arabic countries. Arabic journalists that don’t follow your Hamas propaganda. 
 

 

London Wanderer

London Wanderer

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

Not a deflection and not odd at all. Over 180 journalists killed. What is that as a proportion of journalists actually there? I’ve seen a list of the journalists killed. Not all Palestinian. Some independent and some from other Arabic countries. Arabic journalists that don’t follow your Hamas propaganda. 
 

 

My Hamas propaganda??

 Christ 

it’s the same old circle of discussion. Anyone seriously questions Israel’s approach & occupations & all of a sudden they’re influenced by Hamas propaganda.

 That’s what the discussion has come to now. Agree with me or you’re agreeing with terrorists.

 Such a naive & simplistic view

If they’re independent then that’s also abhorrent isn’t it. No journalists should be deliberately targeted unless they’ve been proven to be involved in Oct 7th. 

BobyBrno

BobyBrno

Posted
Posted
6 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

My Hamas propaganda??

 Christ 

it’s the same old circle of discussion. Anyone seriously questions Israel’s approach & occupations & all of a sudden they’re influenced by Hamas propaganda.

 That’s what the discussion has come to now. Agree with me or you’re agreeing with terrorists.

 Such a naive & simplistic view

If they’re independent then that’s also abhorrent isn’t it. No journalists should be deliberately targeted unless they’ve been proven to be involved in Oct 7th. 

From your link.

‘To date, CPJ has determined that at least 17 journalists and two media workers were directly targeted by Israeli forces in killings which CPJ classifies as murders:’

Determined. What does that actually mean?

Where is the proof. What evidence have they produced? Nothing.

 

London Wanderer

London Wanderer

Posted
Posted
10 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

From your link.

‘To date, CPJ has determined that at least 17 journalists and two media workers were directly targeted by Israeli forces in killings which CPJ classifies as murders:’

Determined. What does that actually mean?

Where is the proof. What evidence have they produced? Nothing.

 

I’m not stating it as fact. Or expecting you to believe it.

I believe, based on their findings, alongside multiple other NGOs and reports from Palestinians with nothing to do with Hamas, that journalists have been targeted. You can add paramedics to that list as well. Hamas don’t control all the information coming from Palestine.

BobyBrno

BobyBrno

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I’m not stating it as fact. Or expecting you to believe it.

I believe, based on their findings, alongside multiple other NGOs and reports from Palestinians with nothing to do with Hamas, that journalists have been targeted. You can add paramedics to that list as well. Hamas don’t control all the information coming from Palestine.

Well at least we’ve established that some journalists are allowed in. Just not Jeremy Bowen. 

bolty58

bolty58

Posted
Posted
16 hours ago, Sweep said:

In all this, have Israel said why they won't allow the International Press into Gaza, surely if they did, that could put to bed some of these "theories" that the IDF are just up to no good. Let the Press in, and let them report. Or am I over thinking it?

You cannot be serious? As far as the BBC are concerned you may as well just say 'fuck it. Let the Hamas leadership report on it'.

I don't blame Israel one iota for not letting them in. The 'International Press' have already been judge, jury and executioner.

Bertie

Bertie

Posted
Posted
14 hours ago, Bertie said:

Good question.  Suspect not directed at me, but objectively I can (only) think of 3 reasons?

Israel are concerned for the safety of journalists.

Israel are concerned the presence of journalists may give away sensitive military information (eg locations).

Israel are concerned journalists may report things they don’t want reported.

All valid however suspect there will be two schools of thought on here. 

QED. Responses from certain folk were so predictable eh. Ah well.  On the upside there won’t be any incidents near aid centres today in Gaza. They’re shut.

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.

  I accept