Covid-19

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

7 minutes ago, stevieb said:

Probably is pal. Also probably why they've moved to rates per 100k rather than absolute cases. 

None of the vaccines being administered (as far as I'm aware) are sterilising vaccines so they will only offer minimal effect against infecrion and virus spread. However, the evidence we have confirms they have a significant effect on rates of severe disease, hospitalisation, and deaths post infection.

For what it's worth, I'm in agreement with you re. vaccine passports. Although, I think the Government has already ruled them out domestically.

[stevieb]

2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

None of the vaccines being administered (as far as I'm aware) are sterilising vaccines so they will only offer minimal effect against infecrion and virus spread. 

My understanding too from the reading I've done. Which is why I think the vaccine passports are bollocks! 

[BobyBrno]

14 minutes ago, stevieb said:

Tell that to Morocco. 

Just banned UK from travelling despite us having a high vaccine take up! 

Netherlands and Germany too. 

That’s flights from the Netherlands and Germany into Morocco as well as the U.K. 

Not sure if will make much difference to the vast majority of the citizens of the U.K. or Holland or Germany.

[Spider]

30 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

If you travel with a negative test, there is no reason why you would be any different from a citizen of the country your visiting or any other country.

The travel vaccine passport is different. If you’ve had the two jabs, (or even a booster) you’re less likely to be a burden on their health system if you were to catch it in their country.

I agree by the way. I would hope countries see sense.

But

There may be a limit that many governments feel is too high.

[Traf]

10 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

That’s flights from the Netherlands and Germany into Morocco as well as the U.K. 

Not sure if will make much difference to the vast majority of the citizens of the U.K. or Holland or Germany.

It is already impacting the October half-term travel trade.
Mad rush to get people re-booked now.
Because we've not had it shit enough yet.

[BobyBrno]

5 minutes ago, Spider said:

I agree by the way. I would hope countries see sense.

But

There may be a limit that many governments feel is too high.

It is a real problem when countries have their traffic light system. International travel becomes a lottery.

[Spider]

Just now, BobyBrno said:

It is a real problem when countries have their traffic light system. International travel becomes a lottery.

It’s the growing admission that 2 jabs doesn’t mean you can’t spread it, and starts to wane after a few months.

Thats a worry.

The fact that plane loads of Brits are arriving from a country that is clearly rife (by December for sure) may just get us blocked.

[BobyBrno]

7 minutes ago, Traf said:

It is already impacting the October half-term travel trade.
Mad rush to get people re-booked now.
Because we've not had it shit enough yet.

It’s a real problem for international travel. I’m desperate to book my flights to Aus. I’ve no doubt you are aware that they have said they will open up the borders based on vaccination numbers (in Aus) not cases of Covid. Their cases are the highest since the start.

Negative test and vaccination passport is surely the only way forward.

 

[BobyBrno]

20 minutes ago, Spider said:

It’s the growing admission that 2 jabs doesn’t mean you can’t spread it, and starts to wane after a few months.

Thats a worry.

The fact that plane loads of Brits are arriving from a country that is clearly rife (by December for sure) may just get us blocked.

Assuming all are double jabbed, If a plane load of Brits. arrive from Manc. with negative tests, it should be no different than a plane load of Irish from Dublin with negative tests.

Thats logic. As you say though, it is a worry that other countries look at things differently.

[Cheese]

58 minutes ago, stevieb said:

My understanding too from the reading I've done. Which is why I think the vaccine passports are bollocks! 

Do you always do your own research before accepting medical advice? If you were rushed to hospital, would you consult several internet articles before allowing a Surgeon to operate on you?

[stevieb]

Just now, Cheese said:

Do you always do your own research before accepting medical advice? If you were rushed to hospital, would you consult several internet articles before allowing a Surgeon to operate on you?

I'm not being rushed to hospital am I? 

And yes I do. I researched the fuck out of the medication I'm on for about 2 years before I decided it was worth the risk. 

It's also one that puts me at risk of blood clots. 

Now fuck off back to the cinema. 

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, stevieb said:

I'm not being rushed to hospital am I? 

And yes I do. I researched the fuck out of the medication I'm on for about 2 years before I decided it was worth the risk. 

It's also one that puts me at risk of blood clots. 

Now fuck off back to the cinema. 

Which is why I asked - IF you were rushed to hospital, would you do your own research before allowing a Surgeon to perform an operation?

Your personal attack in response suggests you wouldn't, but you're unwilling to admit it.

[stevieb]

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Which is why I asked - IF you were rushed to hospital, would you do your own research before allowing a Surgeon to perform an operation?

Your personal attack in response suggests you wouldn't, but you're unwilling to admit it.

I'm not being rushed to a hospital. 

I don't make my medical decisions on whether I'm hypothetically being rushed to a hospital or not. 

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, stevieb said:

I'm not being rushed to a hospital. 

I don't make my medical decisions on whether I'm hypothetically being rushed to a hospital or not. 

No, but IF you were, would you?

[stevieb]

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

No, but IF you were, would you?

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I'm not sure the analogy works.

With the exception of people like those cranks in the video posted a couple of pages ago, it seems to me that most people who are hesitant to accept the offer of the vaccine are hesitant on the basis of the balance of risk i.e. the risk of a fatal blood clot from the vaccine versus the risk of death from Covid.

If a person is rushed to hospital it's because they are in need of urgent medical attention and as a result the balance of risk will have tipped in the other direction.

[stevieb]

2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I'm not sure the analogy works.

With the exception of people like those cranks in the video posted a couple of pages ago, it seems to me that most people who are hesitant to accept the offer of the vaccine are hesitant on the basis of the balance of risk i.e. the risk of a fatal blood clot from the vaccine versus the risk of death from Covid.

If a person is rushed to hospital it's because they are in need of urgent medical attention and as a result the balance of risk will have tipped in the other direction.

Boom. 

But I'm a tinfoil selfish nuremberg code serving grey marl jogger wearing loon. 

Balance of risk. Nothing more nothing less. 

And balance of risk on the Oxford University calculator... 

https://qcovid.org/Home/AcademicLicence?licencedUrl=%2FCalculation

[Spider]

Moan moan moan

Worst winter of all time. Yawn, whine, I want to stay at home blah blah

Worst ways, the cowering simpletons emerge in spring to find all the thickos have died of Covid because they wanted to crack on.

[Traf]

2 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

It’s a real problem for international travel. I’m desperate to book my flights to Aus. I’ve no doubt you are aware that they have said they will open up the borders based on vaccination numbers (in Aus) not cases of Covid. Their cases are the highest since the start.

Negative test and vaccination passport is surely the only way forward.

 

Yeah, we booked flights to Sydney this week departing 30th December, so the wife can go see our daughter & grandson.

[BobyBrno]

8 hours ago, Traf said:

Yeah, we booked flights to Sydney this week departing 30th December, so the wife can go see our daughter & grandson.

👍 See you at the SCG🤞

[Traf]

9 hours ago, Traf said:

Yeah, we booked flights to Sydney this week departing 30th December, so the wife can go see our daughter & grandson.

 

40 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

👍 See you at the SCG🤞

Ah, no, I'm not going. Got Rotherham away instead 😉

Need to be at home sadly.

[BobyBrno]

12 minutes ago, Traf said:

 

Ah, no, I'm not going. Got Rotherham away instead 😉

Need to be at home sadly.

Ah right. Haven’t booked flights yet waiting to see if Victoria will allow us in for the MCG test so I may be in touch re flight deals.

This is COVID related as it shows how even Australia may have different rules regarding travel. 

[Spider]

We are clearly heading towards some form of restrictions.

I just can't see it being enforced. Especially working from home. We're back out and about, it would be disastrous to basically lockdown again.

Only folk who are boneidle and got used to 3 wanks a day at home are pushing for it.

Eveyone I know who has had covid in the last few months said it was at worst a bit of flu so the vaccine is working

Get a booster, but fuck lockdown.

[Not in Crawley]

The pandemic has sped up (finally) the end of working in an office five days a week at set times, and thank fuck for that. If I want to work on a saturday afternoon and not a tuesday afternoon then I think as long as the work is done, you should be able to. If I want to work at home, in an office, or by a lakeside in summer - the tech is there, again I should be able to as long as I can complete my job.

Being somewhere because someone tells you with no massive benefit has hopefully ended for many. 

Today, I'm at a virtual conference, working at home and have a lunch meeting with three orgs from scotland. I don't have to leave my house. Fan-fucking-tastic.

[bolton_blondie]

I thought it was compulsory to wear your mask in a health care setting now? Just took youngest for his 12 week jabs and not one of the buggers had one on. Not even the rottweilers behind the desk?