5 hours ago, L/H White said:

Our best manager since 1966 hounded out because he likes bummers and blacks

Idiot. Our best managers since 1966 have been Bobby Robson and Terry Venables.

4 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

You're so negative 😀

Firstly, I don't really care, I'm just joining in when really I'm more interested in cricket, tennis and golf until Bolton start playing again.

But a year ago this week we had the "embarrassment" of losing at home to Iceland.  But it was a friendly, and the fans and players didn't really care.  Same tonight, surely nobody will remember this result next week.

And we were about 1 second from going home from the Euros in disgrace after the 1-1 v Denmark, 0-0 v Slovenia and 1-0 down to Slovakia in injury time.

Let's not pretend we were much better a year ago.

As per usual, the excitable types are going off way too early.

I'll wait and see. Far too early to judge anything.

Meaningless friendlies when the players should be on a beach with their feet up are not to be used as a measuring stick. Won't stop numpties dong it though.

4 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Idiot. Our best managers since 1966 have been Bobby Robson and Terry Venables.

Well that's factually incorrect my old chum.

Your favourites doesn't mean bestest

7 hours ago, jayjayoghani said:

Tuchel was appointed as a tournament manager, his contract is 18 months. The WC is essentially a knock-out and the best team rarely wins. Others can probably provide better examples but Chelsea's Champions League win in 2021 is probably one. 

Hmmm I'm struggling to think of a time in my lifetime watching it (since 94) that the best team hasn't won the world cup. People may have their personal but there's no clear cut underdog wins. Euros is a little bit different for some reason (Greece win, England making the final last year despite being abysmal).

Anyone pining for Southgate needs to remember we were going backwards, and equally had disinterested friendly losses.

Just now, Stig said:

Hmmm I'm struggling to think of a time in my lifetime watching it (since 94) that the best team hasn't won the world cup. People may have their personal but there's no clear cut underdog wins. Euros is a little bit different for some reason (Greece win, England making the final last year despite being abysmal).

Anyone pining for Southgate needs to remember we were going backwards, and equally had disinterested friendly losses.

Going backwards by making a final?

Just now, gonzo said:

Going backwards by making a final?

You must have watched the games in that tournament? I don't think anyone can make a case we played or looked like a team on the up

First ever defeat to an African team that

12 minutes ago, Stig said:

You must have watched the games in that tournament? I don't think anyone can make a case we played or looked like a team on the up

True, we didn't look good.

... But not sure how getting to a final is going backwards.

20 minutes ago, DazBob said:

True, we didn't look good.

... But not sure how getting to a final is going backwards.

It was like the second half of Evatt's play off final defeat season. It had already gone stale but finished in a respectable position due to previous good work.

I imagine if Southgate had carried on it would have been like this last season. The rot had set in.

Going backwards for me because we looked further from winning something than we had at euro 2021.

El Hadji Diouf has spoken ...

"England are a very good side and very good players.

But in Nottingham I did not see a very good England team, they did not work together. I saw good players but there was no teamwork.

It's the first time in a long time that I have seen an England side play as bad as that."

Edited June 11, 20251 yr by Dr. Feelgood

5 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Idiot. Our best managers since 1966 have been Bobby Robson and Terry Venables.

lol

2 hours ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

El Hadji Diouf has spoken ...

"England are a very good side and very good players.

But in Nottingham I did not see a very good England team, they did not work together. I saw good players but there was no teamwork.

It's the first time in a long time that I have seen an England side play as bad as that."

Dioufy, you weren’t the only one who noticed that and sadly I have no confidence with this guy in charge of it changing. Just yet another sideways and backwards disciple who will waste the talent we’ve clearly got.

3 hours ago, gonzo said:

Well that's factually incorrect my old chum.

Not in my world chum.

2 hours ago, L/H White said:

lol

lipop

1 minute ago, bolty58 said:

lipop

you're gonna have to explain how you've got them better my friend 

Edited June 11, 20251 yr by L/H White

13 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

You're so negative 😀

Firstly, I don't really care, I'm just joining in when really I'm more interested in cricket, tennis and golf until Bolton start playing again.

But a year ago this week we had the "embarrassment" of losing at home to Iceland.  But it was a friendly, and the fans and players didn't really care.  Same tonight, surely nobody will remember this result next week.

And we were about 1 second from going home from the Euros in disgrace after the 1-1 v Denmark, 0-0 v Slovenia and 1-0 down to Slovakia in injury time.

Let's not pretend we were much better a year ago.

That's the context I was chatting about with a mate (yes, I've got one) after the game. Iceland loss was a similar one, we also had that drubbing at home by Hungary in 2022. 

You're certainly right about the Euros, we stumbled into them and through them, only Bellingham's rabbit out of hat moment saved it from being a shambles. Because we got to a final though, it's left whoever came in after Southgate with the challenge of 'any less than another final and you've taken us backwards'.

This squad of players, as a group playing together (forget what they do in their clubs), isn't as good as the media like to make out. It's overstuffed with the same types who want to play in the same areas and sub standard in others. 

It does look a bit of a concern though under Tuchel that there doesn't look to be much in the way of harmony between him and the squad

18 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

It does look a bit of a concern though under Tuchel that there doesn't look to be much in the way of harmony between him and the squad

This is the bigger concern for me

Fuck the matches, a 5 day piss up in Latvia in October and Albania in November

 

1 hour ago, L/H White said:

you're gonna have to explain how you've got them better my friend 

Oh no I'm not.

6 hours ago, gonzo said:

Well that's factually incorrect my old chum.

Your favourites doesn't mean bestest

Daft bugger proably raves about Italia 90

What a shit show that was til it got going

And Euro 96, pretty shit on the whole

It was so obvious we would lose last night.

Senegal are a really good team, and that England B team is pants, and never played together.

This manager won't last long at all, terrible fit, and all his team and squad selections have been beyond shocking.

He watches match of the day, and picks based on that and his biased Chelsea link & the big TV games - i'm convinced, he is piss poor.

Edited June 11, 20251 yr by Pablo

Southgate was better than Robson and Venables combined 

Littleraly had 2 good games under Venables. Holland and Scotland.

Switzerland was a shit. So was the Spain game and he should've changed his attack v the Germans.

Senegal looked head and shoulders above us. That ref was fucking shite though

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Littleraly had 2 good games under Venables. Holland and Scotland.

Switzerland was a shit. So was the Spain game and he should've changed his attack v the Germans.

and he didn't even have to qualify for the tournament