Moderators Zico Posted February 3, 2023 Moderators Share Posted February 3, 2023 37 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I don't dispute what folk are saying, but the cps have said there is also new evidence, without specifying what it is. Ultimately though, we have to be thankful that our legal system requires a more thorough investigation than just the opinions of the public. GG above says that they've got back together- well if true then she isn't helping herself nor others in the same situation. aye, totally get that to get a conviction and be found guilty you have to do things properly thing for me is, he's not been found not guilty, but the case has been dropped it really looks like he still did it Utd won't want him, because of that, so who will really, it's not a good look to take him on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Zico said: aye, totally get that to get a conviction and be found guilty you have to do things properly thing for me is, he's not been found not guilty, but the case has been dropped it really looks like he still did it Utd won't want him, because of that, so who will really, it's not a good look to take him on Money ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 He'll go and play abroad where folk will care less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 I don’t see why he won’t get a gig here. People will soon forget. He’s got off (rightly or wrongly). people have killed pissed up driving and got back playing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Big E said: I don’t see why he won’t get a gig here. People will soon forget. He’s got off (rightly or wrongly). people have killed pissed up driving and got back playing No way are FV going to offer rehabilitation to an accused misogynist and rapist. He may be innocent in the eyes of the law but supporters, owners, sponsors etc have all heard the recording. Feck him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, Duck Egg said: No way are FV going to offer rehabilitation to an accused misogynist and rapist. He may be innocent in the eyes of the law but supporters, owners, sponsors etc have all heard the recording. Feck him. I agree he shouldn’t but I would be very surprised if he didn’t see ched evans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Big E said: I agree he shouldn’t but I would be very surprised if he didn’t see ched evans I wonder if society has moved on and whether Ched Evans would be given another chance were it to happen today? Be interesting to see whether Mendy ever plays again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Duck Egg said: I wonder if society has moved on and whether Ched Evans would be given another chance were it to happen today? Be interesting to see whether Mendy ever plays again. I'd expect Mendy to return to France and start playing again or over in the Middle East/Turkey where they don't give a fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Do clubs have to pay up contracts if they don’t play them / have them back ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 13 minutes ago, Big E said: Do clubs have to pay up contracts if they don’t play them / have them back ? If they go through a process & find they have done something defined as 'Gross Misconduct' then no. The can dismiss without notice or need to pay the contract up. If not Gross then they could still tell him to leave but he'd be entitled to his notice. A normal pro footballers contract won't have a notice period like mere mortals. It'll be live for the duration. So they'd be expected to pay it off. Those 8 year jobs are looking scary now aren't they !? Of course clubs, with money before anything, would be reluctant to cut a contract of a saleable assets. Let's see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted February 3, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted February 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Dr. Feelgood said: If they go through a process & find they have done something defined as 'Gross Misconduct' then no. The can dismiss without notice or need to pay the contract up. If not Gross then they could still tell him to leave but he'd be entitled to his notice. A normal pro footballers contract won't have a notice period like mere mortals. It'll be live for the duration. So they'd be expected to pay it off. Those 8 year jobs are looking scary now aren't they !? Of course clubs, with money before anything, would be reluctant to cut a contract of a saleable assets. Let's see. That would have to be weighed up against loss of sponsorship deals etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 1 hour ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said: That would have to be weighed up against loss of sponsorship deals etc. It would but if principles mattered it wouldn't. Proof that money will talk. No sponsor, however, would want to be associated with him if they directly linked it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted February 4, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted February 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Dr. Feelgood said: It would but if principles mattered it wouldn't. Proof that money will talk. No sponsor, however, would want to be associated with him if they directly linked it. We agree on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted February 4, 2023 Moderators Share Posted February 4, 2023 19 hours ago, Big E said: I agree he shouldn’t but I would be very surprised if he didn’t see ched evans To be fair to Evans he went to court and cleared his name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 55 minutes ago, Zico said: To be fair to Evans he went to court and cleared his name but surely not getting prosecuted is the same..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobbypond Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Zico said: To be fair to Evans he went to court and cleared his name And there wasn't evidence of him being a deplorable piece of shit posted online, unlike Monsieur Greenwood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Faustus Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Zico said: To be fair to Evans he went to court and cleared his name That has a ring to it😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted February 4, 2023 Moderators Share Posted February 4, 2023 7 hours ago, Big E said: but surely not getting prosecuted is the same..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Neither should be playing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted February 4, 2023 Moderators Share Posted February 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Big E said: Neither should be playing Why should Evans not? What job should he be allowed to have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Sadly many domestic and sexual abuse victims stay with the perpetrators. A tiny minority of cases make it to court and just as few result in any form of justice. It's easier for most not to go through the process. it's obvious to all the kind of person Greenwood is - you don't need to make assumptions as the recordings tell it all. I hope that he's never allowed to play professionally again and that's his punishment. Elite footballers are role models to a lot of young folk and their job comes with a different level of responsibility than most - he's crossed a line and that's that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 17 hours ago, Big E said: but surely not getting prosecuted is the same..... No. Cleared in court means the evidence was presented and a jury decided they were ' not guilty' whereas in the Greenwood case the evidence has never been presented so no one has said 'not guilty'. Just not enough evidence to prosecute. In the Evans case he was j ITK ally found guilty and then extra evidence was put forward, in this case evidence was withdrawn. If you were cynical you could say in one case the accused's associates encouraged 'witnesses' to come forward and present evidence to ruin the reputation of the victim, in the Greenwood case the victim has been encouraged to withdraw her statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane57 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 18 hours ago, lobbypond said: And there wasn't evidence of him being a deplorable piece of shit posted online, unlike Monsieur Greenwood. umm there was quite a lot of evidence of him being a deplorable piece of shit in that case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted February 5, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2023 It will unfortunately come back around again.. Will think he's gotten away with it, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted February 5, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) Greenwood might have had his charges dropped, so isn't seen as guilty in the eyes of the Law, but Football Clubs aren't bound by such technicalities. "Is that your voice on that rapey recording Mason?" "Yes" "There's the door then. We'd rather keep our sponsors happy thanks." Edited February 5, 2023 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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