not interested in arguing about the trust just putting this here for those interested and not members. 

https://www.bwfcst.co.uk/Trust_Documents/Club_Trust_Structured_Dialogue_Meeting_No2_Minutes_040322.pdf

Edited March 31, 20224 yr by Mounts Kipper

21 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said:

It doesn’t need a new one. We have one. They just need greater communication with the wider fan base. Some will argue “we’ll pay your money and then you can have your say” 

my view is the trust themselves should be more proactive in reaching out to the wider fanbase. 
 

as an example - I don’t think many if any current season ticket holders would have an issue if the club asked if they could share details (name / email address) with the trust in order to gain feedback / complete survey monkeys or whatever 

when fans feel like they’re being asked and more importantly heard they would be more inclined to invest time and money in to the trust. Being asked to pay then you might get asked about some things is clearly putting people off 

Im struggling with what folk actually want from the ST. Bigger representation? What will that matter in a mainly passive organisation?

7 minutes ago, Underpants said:

Im struggling with what folk actually want from the ST. Bigger representation? What will that matter in a mainly passive organisation?

Suppose that’s the million dollar question. But surely more than what is being done now. The perception of it overall isn’t very positive is it 

the club clearly value it’s opinion and seem to have acted on a few of them - recent ground refresh being one and i do think it could be a very useful vehicle for more if it became more consultative with the wider fan base 

9 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said:

Suppose that’s the million dollar question. But surely more than what is being done now. The perception of it overall isn’t very positive is it 

the club clearly value it’s opinion and seem to have acted on a few of them - recent ground refresh being one and i do think it could be a very useful vehicle for more if it became more consultative with the wider fan base 

It's good for the club to be seen having a direct line with the fans, and visa-versa. There is also a sense of kudos with the group.

In its present state the ST will not upset the apple cart with the club, and that probably won't change even if it has a larger membership or bank account.

Edited July 21, 20223 yr by Underpants

47 minutes ago, Underpants said:

Im struggling with what folk actually want from the ST. Bigger representation? What will that matter in a mainly passive organisation?

I do not want anything from them, just a stop to claims that they are THE voice of the fans, they are not, they represent a segment of support and probably fit the segment Neil wants. 

51 minutes ago, Ani said:

I do not want anything from them, just a stop to claims that they are THE voice of the fans, they are not, they represent a segment of support and probably fit the segment Neil wants. 

They are the voice of the fans who can be arsed doing something beyond moaning on internet forums.

13 minutes ago, Cheese said:

They are the voice of the fans who can be arsed doing something beyond moaning on internet forums.

If you had an ounce of sense you would realise what is wrong with your comment. 

1 minute ago, Ani said:

If you had an ounce of sense you would realise what is wrong with your comment. 

This is true.

before the Trust 

what was the Group called 

was it BWSA  what happend to them 

i went once it was like a Nursing Home 

 

3 minutes ago, little whitt said:

before the Trust 

what was the Group called 

was it BWSA  what happend to them 

i went once it was like a Nursing Home 

Covid.

@victor meldrewthe wandersways delegate to the supporters trust. Can a fancy name badge be knocked up?

Didn't we have members on here try to join the trusts board.  It was made impossible from memory.

6 hours ago, Cheese said:

If everyone moaning about the Supporters Trust because "they don't represent me" set up their own Supporters Group, they'd have far more members than the current Supporters Trust, and hold far more sway with the club. But they won't, because it's easier to moan than actually do anything.

 

2 hours ago, Cheese said:

They are the voice of the fans who can be arsed doing something beyond moaning on internet forums.

Both your points assume those outside of the ST actually believes there is a need and a place for such an entity.

Just now, MickyD said:

Both your points assume those outside of the ST actually believes there is a need and a place for such an entity.

No they don't. Unless you're assuming that everyone who is unhappy with the Supporters Trust thinks it should be abolished?

On 21/07/2022 at 10:03, Cheese said:

Do something about it then. Have you aired these views to the Supporters Trust?

I don't care either way if they exist or not and if they do will leave them to it

I paid my £10 at the time as I hoped for them to be a pain in KAs arse and it was the least I could  

But from what I recall, it's a closed shop and airing such views won't make an ounce of difference

 

 

It was hoped it would be a pain in the arse when that shit was here fucking us over but he just didn't acknowledge the ST.

I don't think it has fully recoved from that. The club has given it a degree of credibility now, but I'm not sure how many teeth it has.

On 21/07/2022 at 16:05, MickyD said:

 

Both your points assume those outside of the ST actually believes there is a need and a place for such an entity.

Why do you bother even rising to the contrary cunt? If you were arguing for the ST, he'd be vehemently against it.

He doesn't assume anything. He's just looking for the right room for an argument.

21 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Why do you bother even rising to the contrary cunt? If you were arguing for the ST, he'd be vehemently against it.

He doesn't assume anything. He's just looking for the right room for an argument.

This is true.

No it’s not.

On 21/07/2022 at 13:49, barryk32 said:

Didn't we have members on here try to join the trusts board.  It was made impossible from memory.

They asked for help when they first started.

I know people who contacted them and didnt even get a reply.

They don’t represent me.

I offered to get involved and link the Trust to Bolton's largest bank of online fans (WWays if you hadn't worked it out) and they weren't interested in our "sort".

On 25/07/2022 at 22:25, Traf said:

I offered to get involved and link the Trust to Bolton's largest bank of online fans (WWays if you hadn't worked it out) and they weren't interested in our "sort".

Given the comments on here, and the varying views at the time, you can understand them not bothering with your offer. Rightly or wrongly.

On this, I reckon cheese has a point.

No doubt it doesn't seem brilliantly run, but absolutely nothing stops interested parties paying their money, standing for election, and changing it from within. Can even change the rules and make admission free if desired.

Given its small membership size, with adequate support from likeminded fans, someone from here or elsewhere may well find it quite easy to get onto the board and make changes. 

Ultimately though, you'll never please everyone all of the time, and even with the best of intentions, I reckon board members could readily get pissed off with it.

I joined initially, for obvious reasons, but once we'd got the buyer (Kunterson) it didn't seem as important, and frankly I couldn't be arsed. 

On that basis, I won't knock anyone for at least trying, whether I agree with their policies, ideas, etc or not.

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

absolutely nothing stops interested parties paying their money, standing for election, and changing it from within.

no chance

look how the election process is rigged structured

3 minutes ago, Casino said:

no chance

look how the election process is rigged structured

If, it is as bad as you say, then the club would distance themselves from it.

I have experience of being in a 'club' with improper governance, and some of its members took the board to court because of it, and won. Assets frozen etc.

Again, if its that bad then surely someone feels passionately enough to challenge the committee and put evidence before the club if necessary. 

They only want the type of fan who attends games in pants, shirt and tie, shoes and jacket, not jeans, polo shirt and trainers.

10 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

If, it is as bad as you say, then the club would distance themselves from it.

 

not if they are a nodding dog

just look at how it works

the same faces are on the committee, off the committee then back on

its a revolving door

 

fwiw, if we are wrong, they could get their arses on here and explain why?

no reason why they should try to engage with wways, but an offer was informally made just weeks ago

i understand they claim to be trying to appeal to a wider group

im still waiting for even a go and get fucked

 

 

could a member tell me where the legends day funds ended up - take it theyve a few grand in the bank after that, or did it go the the BWFCCT