First day of the school holidays today, my eldest (9) was out of the door on his BMX at 8 bells knocking his other gang mates up to finish off their den, oh to be that age again. 6 year old wants to play with them but can’t keep up on his bike so he’s kicking off. Baby is on his 3rd Nappy change. 
 

Can’t wait to get back in work next week. 

Just now, BobyBrno said:

You sound like Rishi😊

Pound shop Rishi of the lower middle class 😁

 

Surely you mean Corner

4 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Pound shop Rishi of the lower middle class 😁

 

You’re out of touch with the current Labour Party. They are going out of their way to show their ‘working class’ background. Lower middle class doesn’t cut it.

4 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

You’re out of touch with the current Labour Party. They are going out of their way to show their ‘working class’ background. Lower middle class doesn’t cut it.

With my accent, I can pretend.

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

With my accent, I can pretend.

Politics is all about pretence.

10 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

You’re out of touch with the current Labour Party. They are going out of their way to show their ‘working class’ background. Lower middle class doesn’t cut it.

That's where they're going wrong, because "working class" doesn't exist anymore, and hasn't done so for decades

1 minute ago, Sweep said:

That's where they're going wrong, because "working class" doesn't exist anymore, and hasn't done so for decades

It has, it's just folk don't self identify as it. Legacy of Thatcher.

C1s still exist, but need to be communicated to differently.

4 minutes ago, Sweep said:

That's where they're going wrong, because "working class" doesn't exist anymore, and hasn't done so for decades

Agree.

The whole class concept is outdated and frankly a bag of bollocks.

Still get folk with a chip on their shoulder exhibiting inverse snobbery and undoubtedly others from wealthier/privileged backgrounds who look down, but they can be categorised together as cunts.

5 minutes ago, Sweep said:

That's where they're going wrong, because "working class" doesn't exist anymore, and hasn't done so for decades

Labour seem to keep carping on about though.

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Agree.

The whole class concept is outdated and frankly a bag of bollocks.

Still get folk with a chip on their shoulder exhibiting inverse snobbery and undoubtedly others from wealthier/privileged backgrounds who look down, but they can be categorised together as cunts.

It's not bollocks - certainly demographic categorisation isn't for many fields, and really helps in terms of policy.

And we are a very class structured society still, it's just some can't see what's in front of their faces.

3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Labour seem to keep carping on about though.

With good reason.

Because the poorest are still getting screwed.

Just now, Not in Crawley said:

With good reason.

Because the poorest are still getting screwed.

The working class aren’t the poorest. I’m working class and I ain’t being screwed by anyone.

30 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

 

C1s still exist, but need to be communicated to differently.

Googled C1s and apart from a car, couldn’t find anything. Whoever they are, why do they need to be ‘communicated to differently’?

14 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Googled C1s and apart from a car, couldn’t find anything. Whoever they are, why do they need to be ‘communicated to differently’?

I think it's a reference to the social grade system.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NRS_social_grade

Day 1 yesterday with a 5-year-old. Wife in work. How the fuck am I meant to work? Impossible. She needs 100% attention. Took her to the park and promised her an ice cream. Turns out 99% of the schools in the area hadn't broken up yet. No sign of the ice cream man. Only one other kid on the park. First broken promise of the holiday!!

"Working" parents with no child support. 'Kin hard work! Anyway, kids clubs open next week, bang her in those for the days when we aren't gallivanting around the UK.

9 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I think it's a reference to the social grade system.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NRS_social_grade

Ah right. By those definitions, I used to be an A and I’m now an E.

Still class myself as working class though. 😊

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

The working class aren’t the poorest. I’m working class and I ain’t being screwed by anyone.

Aye think its long travelled from being income based. I live in a middle class area, probably earn middle class wages but couldn't be anymore working class if I tried

 

18 hours ago, gonzo said:

Sounds a right hoot

 

11 hours ago, gonzo said:

Aye think its long travelled from being income based. I live in a middle class area, probably earn middle class wages but couldn't be anymore working class if I tried

 

I agree, it's definitely not (or shouldn't be income based now) - I've got a mate who still professes to be "working class"......he lives in a lovely house, he has another couple of properties he rents out, he has a house in Spain, and his kids go to a local private school......yet he still tells folk he's definitely working class, as he goes to the office every day and manages the recruitment company he owns (no it's not our resident recruiter 🙂)

I'd say that if working class does exist, then it's people like Gonzo who do actual physical graft, and there is very little of that around these days. Working class is certainly not being in sales and earning 50K per year, poncing around in an office.

I'd say, like it or not, the majority of people these days are middle class, which is nothing to be ashamed of. If you're not in any employment, no matter what the reason, then you're "non working" you're certainly not working class.

17 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I agree, it's definitely not (or shouldn't be income based now) - I've got a mate who still professes to be "working class"......he lives in a lovely house, he has another couple of properties he rents out, he has a house in Spain, and his kids go to a local private school......yet he still tells folk he's definitely working class, as he goes to the office every day and manages the recruitment company he owns (no it's not our resident recruiter 🙂)

I'd say that if working class does exist, then it's people like Gonzo who do actual physical graft, and there is very little of that around these days. Working class is certainly not being in sales and earning 50K per year, poncing around in an office.

I'd say, like it or not, the majority of people these days are middle class, which is nothing to be ashamed of. If you're not in any employment, no matter what the reason, then you're "non working" you're certainly not working class.

I was arguing with an ex footballer the other week, he was telling me he’s working class whilst we were sat in the garden of his million plus pound house! 

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

I was arguing with an ex footballer the other week, he was telling me he’s working class whilst we were sat in the garden of his million plus pound house! 

nut's isn't it. 

It's almost as though people are ashamed of not being working class. I personally can't think of anything worse than actually having to do some proper graft for a living 🙂

On the opposite side of the coin, Mrs Sweep have relatives who are professional scroungers, they know every trick in the book and haven't worked a day in their life....they also class themselves as working class

 

 

14 minutes ago, Sweep said:

nut's isn't it. 

It's almost as though people are ashamed of not being working class. I personally can't think of anything worse than actually having to do some proper graft for a living 🙂

On the opposite side of the coin, Mrs Sweep have relatives who are professional scroungers, they know every trick in the book and haven't worked a day in their life....they also class themselves as working class

 

 

These are the fuckers who should be fruit picking! 

Its not hugely income based, although there are crossovers, and which is why socio-economic social grades are designed around jobs - not the money they bring in, but thats why they are socio-economic and not simply economic. 

The idea being that to be AB you have to be in a professional occupation which requires higher education to reach, whereas C2 is skilled maunual occupations which require training/apprentiships and DE are unskilled workers manual work.

Although these grades have proved a little broad for what sectors need it for, so Experian used these to create their Mosaic groups of which popular UK groups are things like Blue Collar Enterprise - the most popular group in the UK - which is what would be traditional working class but don't see themselves that way (or rather feel they are better off by their upbringing, which interestingly is one of the only social groups who do) 

 

25 minutes ago, royal white said:

These are the fuckers who should be fruit picking! 

I agree, but they can barely get out of their pits in the morning, let alone commute the 100 odd miles to go and pick some apples 🙂

Sadly, they'll always be scroungers. They have a council house, and the mother has never worked, she  has 4 kids (Mrs Sweeps cousins) and 2 of them also very rarely work, and if they do, it'll be a couple of weeks cash in hand labouring...........them, and other like them, are never going to pick up the slack of the low paid low skilled foreigners that used to come in for seasonal work, no matter how much we want them to. And neither the Torys or Labour will ever stand on a manifesto of stopping benefit payments for these types of scroungers

6 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

 

 

"Straight Talking" - that's usually the sign of a simpleton, who doesn't know what's going on and just talks shit.

 

"Heavy Viewers of TV"  -  I wonder what that actually means, how many hours counts as heavy?  -  believe it or not, we didn't turn our TV on for 3 days after we returned from holiday the other week, which I reckon is the longest it's ever been off in our house (I know it wasn't turned on when I was out of the house, as everything was unplugged as we'd had the house decorated whilst we were away)