We had a decent thread a while back discussing Evatt’s philosophies and approach to the game (think it got tainted and pulled)

So not a bad time to start it up again at the beginning of the season.

In the main he’s done a fantastic job. A minority lost patience round about Xmas/New Year in both seasons. 

But surely now he has the large backing of the majority of fans and the brand he talked about implementing here is now well and truly established.

Good article above highlighting how he’s using Sport Science to get the squad performing to it’s optimum level.

A young, meticulous, intelligent and passionate individual, who we are very lucky to have leading our club.

I hope he gets what he deserves with promotion to the Championship. 

12 minutes ago, Rizlar said:

BEN gonzo mentions doubling down on our approach and style of play unless they have changed it .

 

Ignore me.

Was being thick.

I blame the pop ups

Edited January 16, 20251 yr by gonzo

36 minutes ago, Rizlar said:

BEN gonzo mentions doubling down on our approach and style of play unless they have changed it .

Those are Marc Iles' words, not Ian Evatt's.

managers will be rubbing their hands this morning, piss easy to setup against 

and it's boring 

and we aren't even good at the basics of it

the remainder of this season is going to be a chore 

Edited January 16, 20251 yr by L/H White

6 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Those are Marc Iles' words, not Ian Evatt's.

Aye does sticking to our DNA mean doubling down?

 

4 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Aye does sticking to our DNA mean doubling down?

It can, if you want it to.

5 minutes ago, Cheese said:

It can, if you want it to.

Well I don't want it to.

Jobs a goodn 👍

Did he explain what our DNA is?

3 minutes ago, Hoppy said:

Did he explain what our DNA is?

Do not attack 

9 minutes ago, 1969 said:

Do not attack 

Very good 🤣👏

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

It can, if you want it to.

All plays on words really, though I've yet to fully grasp what 'doubling down' really is (my age showing).

For me, Evatt has drifted further away from the core principles of that DNA than he'd like to admit, and now hasn't the type of players to restore them that easily.

4 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

All plays on words really, though I've yet to fully grasp what 'doubling down' really is (my age showing).

For me, Evatt has drifted further away from the core principles of that DNA than he'd like to admit, and now hasn't the type of players to restore them that easily.

Yep. So far this season it feels like he has no idea what our "DNA" is. Chopping and changing every single game, throwing anything he can grab at it and hoping it sticks. I imagine the players are as baffled as us.

The more i think about and reflect on this season, there are two things that i keep coming back to;

1. I think we need to accept Evatt isn't going anywhere. I do think he's been hung out to dry a little by Sharon et al. Other than a statement, there are other ways i think she and / or the board could have fronted up to support him. But I'm struggling now to think of a scenario that sees him leave (despite how much others may want him to)

2. Linked to this, I wonder if there have been internal conversations that they will now view this season as one of change. The DNA, like many have said, has gone. But is this part of a process of change? Players like Charles had to go once he'd started moping around. Santos, Baxter, Jones plus one or two others will, I think, be on their way at season end (or this month). Whilst we may not like the 'type' of player coming in, I wonder if it's part of a deliberate strategy to move towards a new kind of DNA.

It's entirely plausible that's nonsense and my way of trying to justify what's going on, but whilst there is still a straw to cling to, I might as well.

1 minute ago, thebells said:

The more i think about and reflect on this season, there are two things that i keep coming back to;

1. I think we need to accept Evatt isn't going anywhere. I do think he's been hung out to dry a little by Sharon et al. Other than a statement, there are other ways i think she and / or the board could have fronted up to support him. But I'm struggling now to think of a scenario that sees him leave (despite how much others may want him to)

2. Linked to this, I wonder if there have been internal conversations that they will now view this season as one of change. The DNA, like many have said, has gone. But is this part of a process of change? Players like Charles had to go once he'd started moping around. Santos, Baxter, Jones plus one or two others will, I think, be on their way at season end (or this month). Whilst we may not like the 'type' of player coming in, I wonder if it's part of a deliberate strategy to move towards a new kind of DNA.

It's entirely plausible that's nonsense and my way of trying to justify what's going on, but whilst there is still a straw to cling to, I might as well.

On yout first point, I think it can probably be argued that they've demonstrated their support with their financial backing

On the second, I think you're right and this is my fear

A good transfer window and an uptick in form and Evatt could plausibly claim to the board it's been a season of transition and we're now coming out the other side of it

I think it's more likely than not that he'll be here next season

5 hours ago, Plums said:

It’s like lieutenant Gorman in Aliens. 
 

Game over man, Game over 
 

It was Hudson..

 

Edited January 16, 20251 yr by dazl1212

11 minutes ago, thebells said:

The more i think about and reflect on this season, there are two things that i keep coming back to;

1. I think we need to accept Evatt isn't going anywhere. I do think he's been hung out to dry a little by Sharon et al. Other than a statement, there are other ways i think she and / or the board could have fronted up to support him. But I'm struggling now to think of a scenario that sees him leave (despite how much others may want him to)

2. Linked to this, I wonder if there have been internal conversations that they will now view this season as one of change. The DNA, like many have said, has gone. But is this part of a process of change? Players like Charles had to go once he'd started moping around. Santos, Baxter, Jones plus one or two others will, I think, be on their way at season end (or this month). Whilst we may not like the 'type' of player coming in, I wonder if it's part of a deliberate strategy to move towards a new kind of DNA.

It's entirely plausible that's nonsense and my way of trying to justify what's going on, but whilst there is still a straw to cling to, I might as well.

If we were to accept: "I think we need to accept Evatt isn't going anywhere." He'll be here next season.

The justification if were in the 8th-12th range will be something like:

• It was a blip and we come close.
• There was alot of change this year, the players needed to learn our system and we'll do better next year.
• We made some massive changes and it hurt performances but they needed to be made.

Unless we push he'll be here forever and we'll never escape League 1.

Edited January 16, 20251 yr by Zog1

2 hours ago, 1969 said:

Do not attack 

More like Do Not Alternate from my plan!

34 minutes ago, thebells said:

The more i think about and reflect on this season, there are two things that i keep coming back to;

1. I think we need to accept Evatt isn't going anywhere. I do think he's been hung out to dry a little by Sharon et al. Other than a statement, there are other ways i think she and / or the board could have fronted up to support him. But I'm struggling now to think of a scenario that sees him leave (despite how much others may want him to)

2. Linked to this, I wonder if there have been internal conversations that they will now view this season as one of change. The DNA, like many have said, has gone. But is this part of a process of change? Players like Charles had to go once he'd started moping around. Santos, Baxter, Jones plus one or two others will, I think, be on their way at season end (or this month). Whilst we may not like the 'type' of player coming in, I wonder if it's part of a deliberate strategy to move towards a new kind of DNA.

It's entirely plausible that's nonsense and my way of trying to justify what's going on, but whilst there is still a straw to cling to, I might as well.

To be fair (regarding point 2) Evatt's player recruitment hasn't been bad at all. Got us promoted in his first season, stabilised in League 1 with a 9th place finish, then 5th, then 3rd. Starting from scratch, that's an extremely impressive record. Obviously there are going to be flops and fall outs, but that happens at every level. Things have just gone to absolute shit since Oxford, and I don't think it's down to recruitment. It smells and looks more like a cultural issue. A breakdown in mindset and focus and discipline and professionalism. Almost as though he's got too big for his boots, believed the hype, and took his eye off the ball.

Edited January 16, 20251 yr by Cheese

31 minutes ago, thebells said:

The more i think about and reflect on this season, there are two things that i keep coming back to;

1. I think we need to accept Evatt isn't going anywhere. I do think he's been hung out to dry a little by Sharon et al. Other than a statement, there are other ways i think she and / or the board could have fronted up to support him. But I'm struggling now to think of a scenario that sees him leave (despite how much others may want him to)

2. Linked to this, I wonder if there have been internal conversations that they will now view this season as one of change. The DNA, like many have said, has gone. But is this part of a process of change? Players like Charles had to go once he'd started moping around. Santos, Baxter, Jones plus one or two others will, I think, be on their way at season end (or this month). Whilst we may not like the 'type' of player coming in, I wonder if it's part of a deliberate strategy to move towards a new kind of DNA.

It's entirely plausible that's nonsense and my way of trying to justify what's going on, but whilst there is still a straw to cling to, I might as well.

I disagree that has been hung out to dry; he has been suppored bt the board to the sum of £6m. Much of this has been poorly invested in flops such as Vic and seemingly McAtee. Several players of a similar ilk that are weak, physically and maybe mentally too. However, to see their employee consistaly fail and thereby tarnish their own credibility, is bizarre, divisive and possibly nieve?

But he's not been hung out to dry.

Edited January 16, 20251 yr by worthy10
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14 minutes ago, Hoppy said:

More like Do Not Alternate from my plan!

He's alternated plenty though.

None of its worked.

7 minutes ago, Cheese said:

To be fair (regarding point 2) Evatt's player recruitment hasn't been bad at all. Got us promoted in his first season, stabilised in League 1 with a 9th place finish, then 5th, then 3rd. Starting from scratch, that's an extremely impressive record. Obviously there are going to be flops and fall outs, but that happens at every level. Things have just gone to absolute shit since Oxford, and I don't think it's down to recruitment. It smells and looks more like a cultural issue. A breakdown in mindset and focus and discipline and professionalism. Almost as though he's got too big for his boots, believed the hype, and took his eye off the ball.

I think it went to shit way before Oxford it’s been going down hill for 12 months there was the odd highlight like the Oxford at home performance but the play as been getting slower and slower and we have been conceding more and more goals going into the playoffs we weren’t the team in form 
Probably the demise also really kicked in when Matt cradock left in September then he as reshuffled the back room staff a couple of times and can’t find a solution for me he as been poor for 12 months now and plenty of opportunity to turn it around extra finance ect 

46 minutes ago, thebells said:

The more i think about and reflect on this season, there are two things that i keep coming back to;

1. I think we need to accept Evatt isn't going anywhere. I do think he's been hung out to dry a little by Sharon et al. Other than a statement, there are other ways i think she and / or the board could have fronted up to support him. But I'm struggling now to think of a scenario that sees him leave (despite how much others may want him to)

2. Linked to this, I wonder if there have been internal conversations that they will now view this season as one of change. The DNA, like many have said, has gone. But is this part of a process of change? Players like Charles had to go once he'd started moping around. Santos, Baxter, Jones plus one or two others will, I think, be on their way at season end (or this month). Whilst we may not like the 'type' of player coming in, I wonder if it's part of a deliberate strategy to move towards a new kind of DNA.

It's entirely plausible that's nonsense and my way of trying to justify what's going on, but whilst there is still a straw to cling to, I might as well.

I'm clinging to the same one.

I'm clinging to that this new system he's focused on this season is taking time to work and may need one or two different personnel to make it work.

Randall is one and hopefully a forward to fit the bill to come in.

I'm in full blown desperate happy clapper mode here by the way and deep down I know it's going to almost impossible to turn this round, but maybe, just maybe....

...it's not over yet 😬

 

(Fucking Bi Polar me)

 

3 hours ago, ianofcleveleys said:

All plays on words really, though I've yet to fully grasp what 'doubling down' really is (my age showing).

For me, Evatt has drifted further away from the core principles of that DNA than he'd like to admit, and now hasn't the type of players to restore them that easily.

Me neither Ian, I'm waiting for trebling down myself. Save a job.

1 hour ago, worthy10 said:

I disagree that has been hung out to dry; he has been suppored bt the board to the sum of £6m. Much of this has been poorly invested in flops such as Vic and seemingly McAtee. Several players of a similar ilk that are weak, physically and maybe mentally too. However, to see their employee consistaly fail and thereby tarnish their own credibility, is bizarre, divisive and possibly nieve?

But he's not been hung out to dry.

Not doubting the board have backed him financially. My point is more around the handling of what is going on right now. If they are absolutely focussed on backing him no matter what, they should be doing better than a statement on the club website. Of course, if they have doubts (and they may), then they have probably done the right thing.

Glad you mentioned Vic again though 🙂

 

19 minutes ago, thebells said:

Not doubting the board have backed him financially. My point is more around the handling of what is going on right now. If they are absolutely focussed on backing him no matter what, they should be doing better than a statement on the club website. Of course, if they have doubts (and they may), then they have probably done the right thing.

Glad you mentioned Vic again though 🙂

What else can they do though? A video on the club website?

1 hour ago, thebells said:

Not doubting the board have backed him financially. My point is more around the handling of what is going on right now. If they are absolutely focussed on backing him no matter what, they should be doing better than a statement on the club website. Of course, if they have doubts (and they may), then they have probably done the right thing.

Glad you mentioned Vic again though 🙂

 

Ha ha. Could have missed an opportunity to contextualise spunking money up the wall. Did you know that we bought Vic with the money from selling dapo. Almost stackable in itself?