Brand Evatt

[desperado]

3 minutes ago, Traf said:

Here's a thought.

Whatever is going on with Dion Charles needs resolving. Irrespective of the misses he makes (yesterday's was awful), given a run in the team, he's our top goalscorer.

Charles plays best with Victor for some reason. Our record with them together seems to be better than without them.

Charles is a constant threat, McAtee & Collins aren't.

We are certainly due another Groundhog Day moment of this nature.

Vic/Charles start on Tuesday, play well, get some goals, propel us to the higher echelons of the EFL trophy knockouts.

They retain their places for Saturday, play a part in a victory. Talk is about moments, chances, consistency, turning a corner.

They start against Charlton too, but things start to turn, Charles hardly sees the ball for 60 mins, Vic misses some golden chances. Folk start moaning.

McAtee and Collins replace on 60, rescue a point.

Talk turns to replacing Charles and Vic (who has late January interest from Turkey) 

Not been here before have we? 😂

[deeane Koontz]

Charles should be the first name on the team sheet. He's our only out and out striker of any substance.

instead Evatt is tinkering about with these flimsy attacking midfielder/ fowards nowhere men. Who mainly specialize mincing around doing the odd fancy flick

[Wullie]

Brand Evatt:

1. Pick a formation you want to play.

2. Buy players YOU believe will be able to play to formation.

3. Train and teach the players to play to it

4. Don't have another formation to play to in case it gets found out.

5. Keep training to said formation

6. Wimp out let a poorer team bully you and win play off final.

7. Continue with formation

8. Blame players when formation starts to let you down.

9. Ensure you tell everyone it isn't your managership

10. Repeat 9 and 10

[deeane Koontz]

He also doesn't go hiding like most of the fannies in our squad

[thebells]

54 minutes ago, Stig said:

Only a vitriolic crowd response at home will shift him in my opinion as Sharon and the rest of the board need to see the level of anti-Evatt sentiment yesterday.

Unfortunately I don't think that will happen.

The next game at home v Cambridge is one we'll win fairly easily so the crowd won't be in protest mode. Then we have a midweek home game v Charlton where there'll be about 10k on, so it'll be a quiet one.

The next proper protest will be when we lose away at Huddersfield in 2 weeks but the board won't be there to see that. Then we get back to playing the dross at home till March time.

In a nutshell he's here for the season at least.

Sharon is at almost all away games. And whether she is or isn’t, she ain’t daft. She’ll be well aware (through her son as much as anything else) what the sentiment is. 

There is a bond holders event the night before the Huddersfield game where Sharon, Evatt and rest of board will be in attendance. So I expect them all to be at game next day. And i expect they’ll get some prods that night during the Q and A. 

Evatt isn’t still here because she and the board don’t know how the fans feel. He’s here because sure they believe he’s their best chance this season of getting into the play offs and a potential return in their investment. That might change of course. But I really don’t think fan pressure can do too much at the moment. 

[thebells]

59 minutes ago, Stig said:

Only a vitriolic crowd response at home will shift him in my opinion as Sharon and the rest of the board need to see the level of anti-Evatt sentiment yesterday.

Unfortunately I don't think that will happen.

The next game at home v Cambridge is one we'll win fairly easily so the crowd won't be in protest mode. Then we have a midweek home game v Charlton where there'll be about 10k on, so it'll be a quiet one.

The next proper protest will be when we lose away at Huddersfield in 2 weeks but the board won't be there to see that. Then we get back to playing the dross at home till March time.

In a nutshell he's here for the season at least.

I’m really not sure about the ‘easy’ win against Cambridge either. Players in  second half yesterday were pretty much doing their own thing and had gone rogue. I ‘think’ they’ve stopped playing for him and I think the post match comments will cement that drift. Time will tell but gut feel now is it’ll get worse before it gets better. 

[Greg_BWFC]

Just now, thebells said:

I’m really not sure about the ‘easy’ win against Cambridge either. Players in  second half yesterday were pretty much doing their own thing and had gone rogue. I ‘think’ they’ve stopped playing for him and I think the post match comments will cement that drift. Time will tell but gut feel now is it’ll get worse before it gets better. 

Fear you may be right.

Was no cohesion whatsoever in the 2nd half, weirdly until we decided to have a go at 3 down 🤦‍♂️.

Cambridge know how to get at us from a few weeks ago.

Long balls,long throws and set pieces.

Might not be the easy ride some think it will be.

[Dr. Feelgood]

I've sort of given up for this season. I love Sharon's honesty & desire for a decent club to come good but she'd have to be blind not to see the failings.

Randall may be a neat, tidy, even clever player but how on Earth did he decide he/that was a priority ?

Evatt, meanwhile, is simply obnoxious. I can't even want him to succeed. Obviously I want us to win but no longer want HIM to. Not that he's going to.

[Whitesince63]

1 hour ago, Stig said:

Only a vitriolic crowd response at home will shift him in my opinion as Sharon and the rest of the board need to see the level of anti-Evatt sentiment yesterday.

Unfortunately I don't think that will happen.

The next game at home v Cambridge is one we'll win fairly easily so the crowd won't be in protest mode. Then we have a midweek home game v Charlton where there'll be about 10k on, so it'll be a quiet one.

The next proper protest will be when we lose away at Huddersfield in 2 weeks but the board won't be there to see that. Then we get back to playing the dross at home till March time.

In a nutshell he's here for the season at least.

Glad you’re so confident we’ll turn Cambridge and Charlton over so easily Stig, I’m not so convinced with our lot!! 

[Whitesince63]

Does anybody really know, not think they do, but actually know how much input Evatt has in recruitment? We have Markhams bunch and also Ludonautics providing statistics on players and coming up with recommendations but at what level does Evatt get a say and if he isn’t part of the interview process how will he be able to gauge the attitude of the players he’s going to be responsible for. I’m not trying to defend him and his awful systems and tactical ineptitude are enough to see him go for me but if we’re signing players who are soft and with little drive in them I can sympathise with Evatt on that front. When I was a manager in an organisation it was HR who employed who I had to manage and they definitely didn’t always get it right. Maybe it’s the same for IE?

[desperado]

2 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Does anybody really know, not think they do, but actually know how much input Evatt has in recruitment? We have Markhams bunch and also Ludonautics providing statistics on players and coming up with recommendations but at what level does Evatt get a say and if he isn’t part of the interview process how will he be able to gauge the attitude of the players he’s going to be responsible for. I’m not trying to defend him and his awful systems and tactical ineptitude are enough to see him go for me but if we’re signing players who are soft and with little drive in them I can sympathise with Evatt on that front. When I was a manager in an organisation it was HR who employed who I had to manage and they definitely didn’t always get it right. Maybe it’s the same for IE?

He’s a big part, if not the biggest, when it comes to recruitment. 

He’s said this in a number of interviews/podcasts, some of which are on this thread . Him and Markham very much work in tandem on this. 

[Dr. Feelgood]

3 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

When I was a manager in an organisation it was HR who employed who I had to manage and they definitely didn’t always get it right. Maybe it’s the same for IE?

In 43 years on HR I never once recruited someone the line manager didn't want & then present them to the department as an unwanted gift.

It's an easy, & nonsensical, excuse.

[Rizlar]

26 minutes ago, thebells said:

I’m really not sure about the ‘easy’ win against Cambridge either. Players in  second half yesterday were pretty much doing their own thing and had gone rogue. I ‘think’ they’ve stopped playing for him and I think the post match comments will cement that drift. Time will tell but gut feel now is it’ll get worse before it gets better. 

I am now at the stage where I am looking down at the table rather than looking at the play offs after yesterdays game and what Evatt had to say in his comments after the game about they need players. 

[Stig]

17 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Glad you’re so confident we’ll turn Cambridge and Charlton over so easily Stig, I’m not so convinced with our lot!! 

Cambridge yes, we've really not struggled at home against those kind of teams very often. Charlton no. 

My comment on Charlton was just it's a Tuesday night game with low attendance/atmosphere regardless of result.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

10 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

In 43 years on HR I never once recruited someone the line manager didn't want & then present them to the department as an unwanted gift.

It's an easy, & nonsensical, excuse.

To be fair it does happen, but it's not happening in this case

Evatt isn't having signings forced upon him

[FrancisFogarty]

1 hour ago, deeane Koontz said:

Charles should be the first name on the team sheet. He's our only out and out striker of any substance.

instead Evatt is tinkering about with these flimsy attacking midfielder/ fowards nowhere men. Who mainly specialize mincing around doing the odd fancy flick

Someone needs to decide who is our number one striker and find someone to play with him and give them minutes together. We’ve wasted more than a season pissing about any two from four, but only for 70 minutes.

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Wullie said:

Brand Evatt:

1. Pick a formation you want to play.

2. Buy players YOU believe will be able to play to formation.

3. Train and teach the players to play to it

4. Don't have another formation to play to in case it gets found out.

5. Keep training to said formation

6. Wimp out let a poorer team bully you and win play off final.

7. Continue with formation

8. Blame players when formation starts to let you down.

9. Ensure you tell everyone it isn't your managership

10. Repeat 9 and 10

Shouldn't 10 be just "repeat 9"

[RoadRunnerFan]

[Traf]

2 hours ago, FrancisFogarty said:

Someone needs to decide who is our number one striker and find someone to play with him and give them minutes together. We’ve wasted more than a season pissing about any two from four, but only for 70 minutes.

Currently it's still Dion Charles.

[FrancisFogarty]

36 minutes ago, Traf said:

Currently it's still Dion Charles.

I know, but it’s not up to me. The bloke who decides can’t make his mind up and insists on playing our best striker for 70 minutes or from 70 minutes. Furthermore he doesn’t know who to play with him as a strike partner. Every week it’s pick two from four.

My head’s falling off with it. 

[Dimron]

5 hours ago, Wullie said:

Brand Evatt:

1. Pick a formation you want to play.

2. Buy players YOU believe will be able to play to formation.

3. Train and teach the players to play to it

4. Don't have another formation to play to in case it gets found out.

5. Keep training to said formation

6. Wimp out let a poorer team bully you and win play off final.

7. Continue with formation

8. Blame players when formation starts to let you down.

9. Ensure you tell everyone it isn't your managership

10. Repeat 9 and 10

11. Watch the ladies team and do the exact opposite to what they are doing

[Johnnyrotten]

6 hours ago, Stig said:

Only a vitriolic crowd response at home will shift him in my opinion as Sharon and the rest of the board need to see the level of anti-Evatt sentiment yesterday.

Unfortunately I don't think that will happen.

The next game at home v Cambridge is one we'll win fairly easily so the crowd won't be in protest mode. Then we have a midweek home game v Charlton where there'll be about 10k on, so it'll be a quiet one.

The next proper protest will be when we lose away at Huddersfield in 2 weeks but the board won't be there to see that. Then we get back to playing the dross at home till March time.

In a nutshell he's here for the season at least.

As much as it will be quiet against Charlton, if we're losing at home to them there will be plenty of grumbles and probably negative chants, 10k is a plenty big enough crowd for enough to be heard. 

Shrewsbury away in a month could go either way, we often win there, but if we lose that's a potential powderkeg in a small ground.

[Johnnyrotten]

6 hours ago, thebells said:

Sharon is at almost all away games. And whether she is or isn’t, she ain’t daft. She’ll be well aware (through her son as much as anything else) what the sentiment is. 

There is a bond holders event the night before the Huddersfield game where Sharon, Evatt and rest of board will be in attendance. So I expect them all to be at game next day. And i expect they’ll get some prods that night during the Q and A. 

Evatt isn’t still here because she and the board don’t know how the fans feel. He’s here because sure they believe he’s their best chance this season of getting into the play offs and a potential return in their investment. That might change of course. But I really don’t think fan pressure can do too much at the moment. 

If we win the next 2 home games, which is quite possible, that will be a relatively pleasant and comfortable night for them.  If we lose to Charlton 3 days before, or maybe only get a couple of draws from those 2, its a very different scenario.  I'll be there all being well and it will be interesting to see how they pitch it, I suspect it will be all too polite for awkward questions to be asked.

[Johnnyrotten]

5 hours ago, Stig said:

Cambridge yes, we've really not struggled at home against those kind of teams very often. Charlton no. 

My comment on Charlton was just it's a Tuesday night game with low attendance/atmosphere regardless of result.

My instinct is that we'll win fairly comfortably v Cambridge, based mainly on how bad they are.  But then I recall Shrewsbury when we gifted them a 2 goal start and had to play great 2nd half to get a point.  

If we do go a goal down this time its not going to be a family friendly atmosphere.  But I'm expecting a "reaction" type of game where IE sees these 2 home games as his last chance, realistically.  A dull, flat win by 1 or 2 with virtually no fan celebrations.

[thebells]

18 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

If we win the next 2 home games, which is quite possible, that will be a relatively pleasant and comfortable night for them.  If we lose to Charlton 3 days before, or maybe only get a couple of draws from those 2, its a very different scenario.  I'll be there all being well and it will be interesting to see how they pitch it, I suspect it will be all too polite for awkward questions to be asked.

Fair point. I certainly have questions of my own I want to ask. Not so much ‘why won’t you sack Evatt!’ but things like ‘what does success look like this season?’, ‘how far ahead are the investors looking in terms of getting a return in investment’, and perhaps questions to Evatt around mentality and whether he feels there is a gap in recruitment where this is concerned  

Most people wil be reasonable I’m sure, but hopefully there’ll be a few little nuggets to take away.