Brand Evatt

[worthy10]

1 hour ago, thebells said:

Not doubting the board have backed him financially. My point is more around the handling of what is going on right now. If they are absolutely focussed on backing him no matter what, they should be doing better than a statement on the club website. Of course, if they have doubts (and they may), then they have probably done the right thing.

Glad you mentioned Vic again though 🙂

 

Ha ha. Could have missed an opportunity to contextualise spunking money up the wall. Did you know that we bought Vic with the money from selling dapo. Almost stackable in itself?

[gonzo]

3 minutes ago, worthy10 said:

Ha ha. Could have missed an opportunity to contextualise spunking money up the wall. Did you know that we bought Vic with the money from selling dapo. Almost stackable in itself?

Tbf we finished higher in the league with him in the team.

[thebells]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

What else can they do though? A video on the club website?

Well, yes, possibly.

As we know all too well on here, words can be misconstrued when typed. A video adds greater context, depth and authenticity. And it shows the biggest stakeholders fronting up and backing their man. Appreciate many still won't like it, but I do think it would be a clear sign of strength and togetherness on their part.

Probably the marketer in me coming out here! 

[worthy10]

12 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Tbf we finished higher in the league with him in the team.

What we're is strengths and his input at that time, I missed it...

He's useless now

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, worthy10 said:

What we're is strengths and his input at that time, I missed it...

He's useless now

Have you been kicked in the head by a horse recently?

[worthy10]

5 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Have you been kicked in the head by a horse recently?

Well, there was one time when Vic was the back end of a horse, but he missed

[thebells]

8 minutes ago, worthy10 said:

What we're is strengths and his input at that time, I missed it...

He's useless now

Come on @worthy10. The post wasn't a subjective discussion of his strengths. It was a black and white post with statistical proof that we finished higher with one than the other. It doesn't mean one is better than the other.

[worthy10]

8 minutes ago, thebells said:

Come on @worthy10. The post wasn't a subjective discussion of his strengths. It was a black and white post with statistical proof that we finished higher with one than the other. It doesn't mean one is better than the other.

Fair enough. My emotions are heightened due to our current plight and I got side tracked. You know what I'm like.

[Casino]

3 hours ago, worthy10 said:

I disagree that has been hung out to dry; he has been suppored bt the board to the sum of £6m. Much of this has been poorly invested in flops such as Vic and seemingly McAtee. Several players of a similar ilk that are weak, physically and maybe mentally too. However, to see their employee consistaly fail and thereby tarnish their own credibility, is bizarre, divisive and possibly nieve?

But he's not been hung out to dry.

vic was such a flop that him and charles had us top of the league

its not often any of us like to see our posts from 12 months previous dug up, but i'll happily stand by mne at the time that collins might not be a great idea

not cos hes cack, far from it, but what we had was working

[worthy10]

27 minutes ago, Casino said:

vic was such a flop that him and charles had us top of the league

its not often any of us like to see our posts from 12 months previous dug up, but i'll happily stand by mne at the time that collins might not be a great idea

not cos hes cack, far from it, but what we had was working

I'm sorry, just because he was associated with a team that was once top of the league is more praise worthy for that fleeting time of the team.

In those heady, glory weeks, he was still the weakest link. Its exhausting to labour the point, but he is good at nothing. We've had some rubbish and he's down there with'em

[only1swanny]

4 hours ago, worthy10 said:

. Much of this has been poorly invested in flops such as Vic and seemingly McAtee. 

 

McAtee a flop, FFS give over

24 Games, 5 goals 2 assists square peg in a round hole.. 

Charles 

24 Games, 7 goals, 3 assists ... end of the world that he's gone! (PS 2 were penalties)

 

[only1swanny]

28 minutes ago, worthy10 said:

I'm sorry, just because he was associated with a team that was once top of the league is more praise worthy for that fleeting time of the team.

In those heady, glory weeks, he was still the weakest link. Its exhausting to labour the point, but he is good at nothing. We've had some rubbish and he's down there with'em

Again, stats wise

Charles last season, 2436 minutes 14 goals 1 assist 174 mins per goal

Big Vic last season 2025 minutes 10 goals 1 assists 202 mins per goal

Aaron Collins last 3328 mins 11 goals 10 assists 302 mins per goal

Hardly "good at nothing". Guys had a pretty bad injury, seems he's taking longer to actually get back from it fully, and might not get back from it. Judging by the way he runs, he's not really match fit, plus whatever reason he's missed the last few matches has clearly taken it's toll. 

[worthy10]

No comparison  to Charles goal scoring for past 3 seasons, i would have thought. I wanted to like McAtee and he has a confidence and swagger that flatters to deceive. Hope he still works out.

[worthy10]

2 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Again, stats wise

Charles last season, 2436 minutes 14 goals 1 assist 174 mins per goal

Big Vic last season 2025 minutes 10 goals 1 assists 202 mins per goal

Aaron Collins last 3328 mins 11 goals 10 assists 302 mins per goal

Hardly "good at nothing". Guys had a pretty bad injury, seems he's taking longer to actually get back from it fully, and might not get back from it. Judging by the way he runs, he's not really match fit, plus whatever reason he's missed the last few matches has clearly taken it's toll. 

You need to work with the club to try and sell him then, see if you can convince another club to buy him. Of those ten goals 3 were his hatrick of tap ins. Look its all about opinions, and statistics. But he's not quick, strong, good in the air, he can't run forwards with the ball, he can't dribble without the ball either getting away from him, or getting stuck under his feet. He has no awareness to find space. Rarely shoots on target from distance, struggles to control the ball. He goes through the motions of chasing down but can't tackle. Strengths, he has the physique of a middle weight boxer and trains hard, apparently. Probability a lovely bloke too?

[woolli]

5 hours ago, Cheese said:

To be fair (regarding point 2) Evatt's player recruitment hasn't been bad at all. Got us promoted in his first season, stabilised in League 1 with a 9th place finish, then 5th, then 3rd. Starting from scratch, that's an extremely impressive record. Obviously there are going to be flops and fall outs, but that happens at every level. Things have just gone to absolute shit since Oxford, and I don't think it's down to recruitment. It smells and looks more like a cultural issue. A breakdown in mindset and focus and discipline and professionalism. Almost as though he's got too big for his boots, believed the hype, and took his eye off the ball.

His recruitment when he had fuck all to spend was fantastic. Fast forward on, three seasons later, 5/6 million blown, i beg to disagree. Not one of his big money signings as  been worth anything like the fee we paid for them.  All eyes on 1.2 million Randall! Do you think McAtee, Schon, Forino, Lolos, Victor, Williams, have been worth their fee? 

[gonzo]

9 minutes ago, woolli said:

His recruitment when he had fuck all to spend was fantastic. Fast forward on, three seasons later, 5/6 million blown, i beg to disagree. Not one of his big money signings as  been worth anything like the fee we paid for them.  All eyes on 1.2 million Randall! Do you think McAtee, Schon, Forino, Lolos, Victor, Williams, have been worth their fee? 

I think they're all good players.

Just not in a madcap 5-2-3 formation with treacle balls.

[woolli]

4 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I think they're all good players.

Just not in a madcap 5-2-3 formation with treacle balls.

Been on the spice pal? you actually think Victor, Lolos, Williams, and Forino are good players?

[gonzo]

2 minutes ago, woolli said:

Been on the spice pal? you actually think Victor, Lolos, Williams, and Forino are good players?

I've barely seen Forino play tbf.

We were top of the league and flying with Victor in the team and he was a good foil for dion imo.

Nothing wrong with Williams for me at this level. Always puts a shift in.

Lolos has been just about OK.

Imo obviously.

[Steejay]

31 minutes ago, woolli said:

His recruitment when he had fuck all to spend was fantastic. Fast forward on, three seasons later, 5/6 million blown, i beg to disagree. Not one of his big money signings as  been worth anything like the fee we paid for them.  All eyes on 1.2 million Randall! Do you think McAtee, Schon, Forino, Lolos, Victor, Williams, have been worth their fee? 

Forino and Lolos didn’t cost us owt, at the end of their contracts.

[woolli]

6 minutes ago, Steejay said:

Forino and Lolos didn’t cost us owt, at the end of their contracts.

Paid fee for Lolos, not Forino, my sincere apologies.

[woolli]

23 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I've barely seen Forino play tbf.

We were top of the league and flying with Victor in the team and he was a good foil for dion imo.

Nothing wrong with Williams for me at this level. Always puts a shift in.

Lolos has been just about OK.

Imo obviously.

Also top of the league with Dion Charles in. We all have opinions, but, imo, none of these have made us any better, hence our league position, but, not entirely their fault! Our 1st season back in league 1, think we finished 10th, rewind 3/4 year later,5 / 6 million pound lighter, same position. Not sure who the blame lies with?

[Farnywhite]

1 hour ago, only1swanny said:

PS 2 were penalties

You still have to score them Sheehan as missed a couple and if Morley leaves I wouldn’t put money on any of the rest putting it away . Lolas had to bundle in a botched one earlier this season 

Edited January 16, 2025 by Farnywhite

[Steejay]

14 minutes ago, woolli said:

Paid fee for Lolos, not Forino, my sincere apologies.

Wow, thought he was free.

Any rumours about how much he cost?

[Zog1]

You shouldn't judge any of the players when it's clear this formation, tactics and playstyle are crippling them. Morley being a prime example, i think the same will happen to Dion. Hell Cambridge have been impressed with Nlundulu and he looked like a non league player for us. Iredale has been a revelation for Hibs since coming back from injury in December as a left sided centre back.

[woolli]

Just now, Steejay said:

Wow, thought he was free.

Any rumours about how much he cost?

Think around 300,000. Not alot in the great scheme of things, but still not sure hes been worth that?