Lt. Aldo Raine Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 27 minutes ago, MickyD said: Then he’d have been asked why. The reasoning would eventually because of religion. It was just going to be a matter for the camera crew to wait for the right footage. Well, not really The reasoning would be because he was intending to be provocative on the basis of his strong pro-Israel views Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 minute ago, London Wanderer said: This Nobody is defending his choice of words. It’s the nonsense narrative that these are terrorist marches & parts of London are no go zones. One that Mr. Falter has been perpetuating. Funny watching people still trying to defend him the more that comes out. There are people on this very thread confused as to what the issue was with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: That's missing the point, though It's the suggestion that being openly Jewish is itself a provocation that's caused such a stir Well it was. If he had a tracksuit on and no camera man he'd have been OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Just now, gonzo said: Well it was. If he had a tracksuit on and no camera man he'd have been OK. The Met can't act on that basis, though And if the simple matter of a person looking Jewish - whether it's Gideon Falter or any other Jewish person - is likely to cause a breach of the peace, questions need to be asked about whether the marches should be allowed to continue There's claims on here that the idea Jewish people can't go to central London on a weekend because of th marches is a nonsense, and also that being visibly Jewish at a pro-Palestinian march is provocative It can't be both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted April 22 Site Supporter Share Posted April 22 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: The Met can't act on that basis, though And if the simple matter of a person looking Jewish - whether it's Gideon Falter or any other Jewish person - is likely to cause a breach of the peace, questions need to be asked about whether the marches should be allowed to continue There's claims on here that the idea Jewish people can't go to central London on a weekend because of th marches is a nonsense, and also that being visibly Jewish at a pro-Palestinian march is provocative It can't be both As always, it's a bit more nuanced than that. If a "visibly Jewish" person was just going about their normal business - popping to the shops or going for a meal or whatever, I doubt the police would have had any concerns at all. That clearly wasn't the case here. He was there to provocate and engage with the marchers, in the hope of filming some sort of negative interaction. That's basically his job. The police have prevented him from doing that, and one of them used some clumsy words, so now they have become the subject of his "story". Edited April 22 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 So given everything that seems to be coming out. This guy seems to have plenty of history and was almost certainly there to cause problems. Which means the copper had probably been briefed to keep an eye on him - and that plenty on the march would have also known who he was. I'm even more in the camp of the copper after learning all of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 8 minutes ago, Cheese said: As always, it's a bit more nuanced than that. If a "visibly Jewish" person was just going about their normal business - popping to the shops or going for a meal or whatever, I doubt the police would have had any concerns at all. That clearly wasn't the case here. He was there to provocate and engage with the marchers, in the hope of filming some sort of negative interaction. That's basically his job. The police have prevented him from doing that, and one of them used some clumsy words, so now they have become the subject of his "story". I understand why Gideon Falter was stopped But the police officer stated his being "openly Jewish" as one of the reasons And, for what it's worth, both @kent_white and @gonzo agree with that They might even be right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted April 22 Site Supporter Share Posted April 22 2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: I understand why Gideon Falter was stopped But the police officer stated his being "openly Jewish" as one of the reasons And, for what it's worth, both @kent_white and @gonzo agree with that They might even be right I agree his words were poorly chosen. But that doesn't prove ANY "openly Jewish" person would be treated in the same way. Unless all "openly Jewish" people drive around in vans with massive LED screens on the back, accompanied by a cameraman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Just now, Cheese said: I agree his words were poorly chosen. But that doesn't prove ANY "openly Jewish" person would be treated in the same way. Unless all "openly Jewish" people drive around in vans with massive LED screens on the back, accompanied by a cameraman. We'll have to hope not, but it is what he (perhaps clumsily) implied Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 This was all said posts and posts back and pointed out what the agenda was here in response to Skippy's belicose caterwaulling at RW having been taken for a ride again on Twitter. All very predictable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: This was all said posts and posts back and pointed out what the agenda was here in response to Skippy's belicose caterwaulling at RW having been taken for a ride again on Twitter. All very predictable. It was, and my point was that the agenda of Falter is irrelevant to the acceptability of the police officer's comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 10 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: It was, and my point was that the agenda of Falter is irrelevant to the acceptability of the police officer's comment That's why my anti-semantic joke tickled me because this point was never dismissed and this thread has become akin to two bald men arguing over a comb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted April 22 Site Supporter Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: Well, not really The reasoning would be because he was intending to be provocative on the basis of his strong pro-Israel views But he wanted the cop to call him out for being Jewish in a situation where his religion is likely to be the catalyst for trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 14 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: That's why my anti-semantic joke tickled me because this point was never dismissed and this thread has become akin to two bald men arguing over a comb. It was, though 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 11 minutes ago, MickyD said: But he wanted the cop to call him out for being Jewish in a situation where his religion is likely to be the catalyst for trouble. I'm not sure I follow you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: There are people on this very thread confused as to what the issue was with them Fair do’s I missed that.👍 If he’d said, you’re openly here to antagonise the other side, would that have been okay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Meanwhile - in less important news....... https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-hamas-war-in-maps-and-charts-live-tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: It was, though 🤷♂️ I can't be arsed trawling back - if someone said 'the language that the police officer used was acceptable' fair enough, but the general feeling it appears is: - It was done to make a political point - The organisation has a history of doing these stunts for provocation. - The language was unfortunate but not outwardly anti-semintic, the follow up statement by the Met was actually worse, but that that officer was faced with the situation to keep things calm. Everyone gets it. I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: Fair do’s I missed that.👍 If he’d said, you’re openly here to antagonise the other side, would that have been okay? Of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted April 22 Site Supporter Share Posted April 22 3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: I'm not sure I follow you What’s not to follow? Jewish guy takes camera crew to a pro-Palestine (ergo, anti-Jewish) rally/demo/march, call it what you like. He probably has no wish to get a kicking by the pro-Palestine/anti-Jew crew so stands next to cops who recognise his presence may (would) endanger his safety. Any Jewish guy NOT looking to provoke a response would be either at home or some place other than the route of a march. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 2 minutes ago, MickyD said: What’s not to follow? Jewish guy takes camera crew to a pro-Palestine (ergo, anti-Jewish) rally/demo/march, call it what you like. He probably has no wish to get a kicking by the pro-Palestine/anti-Jew crew so stands next to cops who recognise his presence may (would) endanger his safety. Any Jewish guy NOT looking to provoke a response would be either at home or some place other than the route of a march. That's the nub though there - its not anti-Jewish, its anti Israel's current stance towards the people of Palestine. So when the copper said, 'you're openly Jewish' it opened up the can of worms that the marches ARE anti-semitic, or rather the police leadership think they are which is a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted April 22 Moderators Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, kent_white said: So given everything that seems to be coming out. This guy seems to have plenty of history and was almost certainly there to cause problems. Which means the copper had probably been briefed to keep an eye on him - and that plenty on the march would have also known who he was. I'm even more in the camp of the copper after learning all of this. sounds like a Jewish Tommy Robinson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 3 minutes ago, Zico said: sounds like a Jewish Tommy Robinson That's the conclusion I came to as well! 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 minute ago, kent_white said: That's the conclusion I came to as well! 😂 Tommeh Rubenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 minute ago, Traf said: Tommeh Rubenson Haha was thinking Tamir Robinshun. Wadda Schmuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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