Meanwhile In England

[Ani]

I am expecting it to be announced in next few days that he is a Muslim. 

[royal white]

7 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Two instances doesn’t mean they riot at every injustice. Are the Muslims from that mosque in Southport currently planning a riot? Or are Muslims from the wider area pouring in to start one? Because they’ve just been blamed for a tragic incident that as far as we know, has fck all to do with them or even their religion. Yet they’re currently acting with calmness & tolerance in the face of violence. 

Sadly Muslim kids are killed daily at the hands of extremists. They don’t need us to imagine the scene. 

I know as we see riots and protests about it over here. 
 

See what I mean by tolerance? 

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, Ani said:

I am expecting it to be announced in next few days that he is a Muslim. 

That'll please a lot of people 

[royal white]

Surprised we haven’t seen any pictures of the actual murderer or anyone speaking out about how such a nice kid he is and a promising footballer. 
 

Some kind of recluse maybe? 

[London Wanderer]

14 minutes ago, royal white said:

I know as we see riots and protests about it over here. 
 

See what I mean by tolerance? 

I never disagreed with you that we have tolerated a lot. Particularly in regards to grooming scandals & radicalisation. The vast majority of our Muslim community has also tolerated a lot. White British people aren’t more tolerant than Muslims. 

You said ‘imagine the scenes’ if this happened… which gave off an impression the reaction would be bigger if it was Muslim children who were victims. But Muslim children have been the victims & the riots haven’t been any worse than last night. There wasn’t a riot after the Finsbury Mosque attack either. 
 

Absolutely nothing wrong with peaceful protest. Whether it’s Tommy Robinson or Pro Palestinians. So not sure we should drag that into the discussion. 

Edited July 31, 2024 by London Wanderer

[London Wanderer]

17 minutes ago, Ani said:

I am expecting it to be announced in next few days that he is a Muslim. 

Could be the case. But with 2% of Rwanda being Muslim, it’s unlikely. 

If he is 17, then they may use that to prevent the release of the name until he’s 18 & things have calmed down. They should release the full details soon imo to maintain trust, regardless of what response may happen. 

[boltonboris]

3 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

 

Absolutely

But the fact we're doing this now shows that finally our justice system is waking up to it. 

39 officers injured last night. Imagine the outrage if that was a group of Islamists rioting and attacking a church. Would we all be sat here discussing their motives and trying to understand their warped view of the world? 

Appreciate that's some tangent and not necessarily directed at you. 

Yesterday is mostly an eye opener into how dangerous social media has become now. Played out like a Black Mirror episode and will only get worse with advancements in AI. 

Earlier this week it was "bravo to our brave coppers defending themselves in the airport", now the same folk are kicking lumps out of them

[royal white]

25 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I never disagreed with you that we have tolerated a lot. Particularly in regards to grooming scandals & radicalisation. The vast majority of our Muslim community has also tolerated a lot. White British people aren’t more tolerant than Muslims. 

You said ‘imagine the scenes’ if this happened… which gave off an impression the reaction would be bigger if it was Muslim children who were victims. But Muslim children have been the victims & the riots haven’t been any worse than last night. There wasn’t a riot after the Finsbury Mosque attack either. 
 

Absolutely nothing wrong with peaceful protest. Whether it’s Tommy Robinson or Pro Palestinians. So not sure we should drag that into the discussion. 

I must have been on the moon when this happened? When have they been blown up? Beheaded? Macheted to death at play school, raped on a massive scale etc? 

[wanderer1984]

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

White British people aren’t more tolerant than Muslims. 

😂

[London Wanderer]

Just now, wanderer1984 said:

😂

Nearly as funny as you blaming Ali Al Shakati for the Southport attack 😁

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

😂

I’ve seen it all now 🤦🏻

[wanderer1984]

21 minutes ago, boltonboris said:

Earlier this week it was "bravo to our brave coppers defending themselves in the airport", now the same folk are kicking lumps out of them

@Spider and @gonzo praised the coppers at the Airport and rightly so.

Are they the same folk you talk about?

[wanderer1984]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Nearly as funny as you blaming Ali Al Shakati for the Southport attack 😁

Where did I do that?

[London Wanderer]

9 minutes ago, royal white said:

I must have been on the moon when this happened? When have they been blown up? Beheaded? Macheted to death at play school, raped on a massive scale etc? 

Wasn’t referring to incidents like that in the UK. Simply pointing out that Muslim children have been victims of the things you just referred to all over the world. In fact, they’re far more likely to suffer at hands of extremists.

And before my comment gets taken out of too far out of context … I meant that Muslims have had to ‘tolerate’ a lot of blame for things that they didn’t do or let happen. Southport last night being an example. 

[boltonboris]

3 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

@Spider and @gonzo praised the coppers at the Airport and rightly so.

Are they the same folk you talk about?

Were they there last night lobbing bricks at them?

[Guest]

Probably worth unpicking some of the politics (or utter bollocks) that surrounds this.

The idea that the U.K. has had a bunch of ultra liberal leaders all conspiring to flood us and build a multi cultural society is absolute hogswash. Nonsense of the highest order. We had a PM who had vans drive round saying ‘go home’. So let’s not pretend there is some sort of ideological conspiracy.

Why has immigration risen? Primarily because it has globally. Initially because freedom of movement following the Maastricht Treaty in 1992 started taking off and more people came. Which was good because we needed more workers. It coincided with economic boom driven primarily by those migratory influxes. The migration was more transient more seasonal and much less fixed. Large numbers came from Eastern Europe but they didn’t all stay for long times. But even then we had net migration of 200k ish.

People decided they didn’t like FoM as we couldn’t control who came or how many in theory at least. So we had Brexit. It was pointed out pre Brexit that if we cut off the source of workers that we’d have to import them from elsewhere. That’s fine they all said we can control our borders - it will be our own decision. Super. Then we had Covid. Which has wiped out even more of a dwindling working age population through all the side effects such as long term sickness, waiting lists etc. On top of that we had Brexit. So we cut off our work supply. Our cheap labour and skilled people propping up public services with an ageing and more sickly population. So we had to start bringing people in from elsewhere in greater numbers. Even greater numbers than before. Simultaneously universities hammered through Covid and with a broken financing model needed foreign students simply to survive such is the broken funding system they exist in. So more people came from countries that people seem to have an even bigger issue with than they did with Poland.

Then we start to see global migrant trades with people coming on boats not just here but all over. And this becomes the focus. But we have had, what 150,000 people come on small boats. We are importing 6 or 7 times that annually for a workforce and to study here. So the small boats and migrants coming on them are a tiny thing in comparison.

The issues people have - that we see are often not even related to immigration at all. Often third generation migrants born here. Not folk coming on boats. Not even people coming here. People born here to parents who were born here. 
 

So if you gun down every small boat - you aren’t changing anything. It’s a symbolic thing but it isn’t the cause. Isn’t the problem - it is a big problem globally and here but it’s a drop in the ocean in terms of multicultural demographics.

The likes of Farage and Robinson don’t want to address any of the actual realities. Hence why they promoted a mob to behave like they did in Southport.

The reality is that our population does not sustain itself in a sensible way. Not its age - we have the boomer generation going into retirement which was always a ticking time bomb. We need people here. We already have longstanding (and growing through births) immigrant communities here. 

I don’t know what solution anyone could propose but this is already too long so I won’t suggest anything. But if it’s simply that we can’t live alongside Muslims then that is not going to be fixable. 

[London Wanderer]

3 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Where did I do that?

Blatantly obvious mate

 look at your post & who you attribute blame to after the attack 👍

[London Wanderer]

1 minute ago, boltonboris said:

Were they there last night lobbing bricks at them?

😂

[wanderer1984]

1 minute ago, boltonboris said:

Were they there last night lobbing bricks at them?

Same folk so it's a possibility isn't it?

[wanderer1984]

7 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Ali Al Shakati

 

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Blatantly obvious mate

 look at your post & who you attribute blame to after the attack 👍

Never mentioned a name ... You just did though 👍🏻

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Wasn’t referring to incidents like that in the UK. Simply pointing out that Muslim children have been victims of the things you just referred to all over the world. In fact, they’re far more likely to suffer at hands of extremists.

And before my comment gets taken out of too far out of context … I meant that Muslims have had to ‘tolerate’ a lot of blame for things that they didn’t do or let happen. Southport last night being an example. 

Well of course we are talking about the  UK and predominantly here on our doorstep in the NW. 

Now can you imagine the scenes? 

[London Wanderer]

Just now, wanderer1984 said:

 

Never mentioned a name ... 

Aye right 😉 Just bad timing was it… 

Hope you’re keeping well mate. 

[boltonboris]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

Well of course we are talking about the  UK and predominantly here on our doorstep in the NW. 

Now can you imagine the scenes? 

It would be carnage. Now let's say it did happen and a load of Muslim blokes from in and out of the area of where it happened rioted, attacked a church and hospitalised 39 coppers. What would the general consensus be about that?

[royal white]

1 minute ago, boltonboris said:

It would be carnage. Now let's say it did happen and a load of Muslim blokes from in and out of the area of where it happened rioted, attacked a church and hospitalised 39 coppers. What would the general consensus be about that?

Exactly the same as what the vast majority are saying on here about last night. 

[wanderer1984]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Aye right 😉 Just bad timing was it… 

Hope you’re keeping well mate. 

All good mate ... Chilled and enjoying a bit of camping in Nolton Haven.