Meanwhile In England

[deeane Koontz]

6 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

It’s good news regarding Choudary however so much damage has been allowed to happen going back to mid 90s he just repeatedly offended 

Aye And to think they used to have that cunt on the likes of BBC and Channel4 for interviews.

[Not in Crawley]

42 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

On the latter I agree. It's utterly depressing, feel deflated.  Brilliant to see local white folk and Muslims working together to rebuild that Mosque wall though.

This has clearly been stirred up by the shite spread on social media. I'm all for understanding why and discussing it, but a lot of it felt as if folk were sympathising with what happened last night. And I know that's probably just an emotional overreaction on my part.  The police have declared this non-terror related. And as for the fella arrested with the knife, we know nothing about that yet. Other than blurry photo of the colour of his skin. Even if the police are lying and both were Islamic extremists - attacking a Mosque is a ridiculous response. 

It's interesting though that when people attended a vigil for Sarah Everard's murder and tension broke out - you labelled them 'grief junkies' and 'jumping on a bandwagon'. Strange you didn't say it had anything to do with the epidemic of violence against women, but these riots have everything to do with mass immigration and radicalisation. Not trying to criticise you here at all, agree with a lot of what you post, just raising an observation. 

For what it's worth, we are trying to prevent radicalisation. Yesterday a hate preacher was jailed for life - what a fckn brilliant message that sends across the UK. We are also trying to stop the boats. And if Labour fail, then I would not be surprised at all if Reform or the Conservatives make huge strides and take us out the ECHR. 

That's democracy in action. The mob rule can get to fck - innocent and peaceful Muslims worshipping on Tuesday night in Southport are not (and never will be) responsible for what happened. 
 

Remember I got a ton of stick for that. Anyway, this is the issue, language crystallises around polarisised positions in our modern day culture wars, creating an illusion of simplicity in complex social arguments and honing words into emotive whistles and weapons, and its been the same story of millennia.

Its also why I don't buy into the dramatic its a powerkeg, things have gone to hell in a hand carts, the country is fucked bollocks either. 

In any society, there are ebbs and flows of positions linked to money, power, control of the narrative. We're at a point where we've had a change in our society, coupled with the backwash of the supposed soultions of neo-liberalism making many feel that they have ben left behind and into that void jumps those who wish to control that narrative for generally, their own power grab or political ends. We're at a cusp of 'what next?' in the western democracies who have been leading the world in terms of power structures. When cracks appear in liberal democracy and we always see the rise in support for authoritarian figures - giving those 'clear' solutions to people's needs. That disruption (even if you don't like it) was needed as many felt they didn't have any voice in the current structures. The job now is to listen rather than condem (other than wanton violence) and to prove that the demagogue's don't have any real solutions to the ills and it'll take more collectivism, not division to right the ship. And we will, there will be a period of calm, what can't happen is decent people not calling out things like the reaction in Southport yesterday to a horrific crime, and as we see above decent people doing decent things calmly and quietly is how - like that brick wall, we start to slowly rebuild.

“I have found that it is the small everyday deed of ordinary folks that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love.”

 

Edited July 31, 2024 by Not in Crawley

[Carlos]

The Southport mob looked like an episode of the Walking Dead if Sports Direct did the wardrobe.

[London Wanderer]

20 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

 

Its also why I don't buy into the dramatic its a powerkeg, things have gone to hell in a hand carts, the country is fucked bollocks either. 

 

 

Aye, was reflecting on that earlier mate. 

Often the answer is 'we're all fcked, I need to emigrate etc. London is lost and white people don't go there anymore'.

I've gone jumped to defeatist, irrational reactions like that myself as well. 

Reality is we're incredibly lucky to live where we do and in the period of time that we do. 

[Casino]

one of the things knuckledraggers chuck out is that all muzzies are paedos and sex offenders (clearly bollocks and nobody on here would repeat that)

 

i heard last week that something like 80% of women claim to have been a victim of sexual assault - i cant find it now, but no reason to make it up

thats some very busy muslims, unless of course, theres plenty of 'still be welcome when we get our country back types' at it as well

also, fuck knows how, but paedo hunters keep coming up on my facebook

its rarely non whites

jsl and i suppose my point is, its a male problem, not a race problem, not a religion problem, not a colour problem

 

now

there have been a number of high profile terror attacks and those folk cant be defended...obvs

they do feel to be more likely carried out by folk claiming to act for islam - id describe them as cunts first, so called muslim second

and its definitely no reason to turn on the majority of law abiding muslims, no more than its fair to blame me for last nights antics

 

ramble, part 3

when i worked in the cultural hotspot that is bradford for 3 years, lots of the young british/pakistani blokes were an absolute pain

everybody else was a treat

[L/H White]

1 hour ago, radcliffe white said:

Not looking good for Huw Edwards

 

good, cunt of the highest order 

[Not in Crawley]

Sad fact is domestic abuse rises when there is major international football tournaments. Doesn't get much of an airing, sadly.

[Whitesince63]

9 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Aye, was reflecting on that earlier mate. 

Often the answer is 'we're all fcked, I need to emigrate etc. London is lost and white people don't go there anymore'.

I've gone jumped to defeatist, irrational reactions like that myself as well. 

Reality is we're incredibly lucky to live where we do and in the period of time that we do. 

We’ll I don’t know how old you are LW but whilst I do still feel lucky to be living in the UK, no way in my opinion is the current time as good as the fifties and early 60’s before the feckin idiots took over. The fact we didn’t have modern amenities didn’t matter because we didn’t miss them. Some will no doubt dispute that, usually the ones who didn’t live through it but for the sake of my grandkids I’d take us back there in a flash if I could.

[royal white]

Last nights events, as bad as they were, were  carried out by a tiny minority after a build up of years of atrocities carried out by what many will see as immigrants/boat people call them what you want. (Personally I’m surprised it took this long).

Now look at what happened in Leeds, the police and social services were doing their jobs and we had riots on a similar scale, for a one off incident from a community that the majority on here probably didn't even know resided in that area. 
 

Fast forward a week in and the airport incident, again a one off and we had mainly Muslims protesting, criminal damage and planned demos etc. 

 

Go back years ago to the Tottenham shooting had mainly blacks rioting and looting 

 

We must be the most tolerant race/nation (call us what you want) on earth, yet we all seemed to get tarred with the same brush because of a few (tiny on the scale of things) idiots. 

[London Wanderer]

35 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

We’ll I don’t know how old you are LW but whilst I do still feel lucky to be living in the UK, no way in my opinion is the current time as good as the fifties and early 60’s before the feckin idiots took over. The fact we didn’t have modern amenities didn’t matter because we didn’t miss them. Some will no doubt dispute that, usually the ones who didn’t live through it but for the sake of my grandkids I’d take us back there in a flash if I could.

Fair do’s mate 👍

I can imagine community spirit felt stronger then. Everyone knowing each other & each others kids. 
 

But I didn’t grow up in the 50s or 60s, so I can’t speak for everyone 🙂 All relative innit. I bet there’s a fair few gay people who wouldn’t want to back to that time. 

Edited July 31, 2024 by London Wanderer

[Ani]

Harehills was people from the area kicking off and other people from the area trying to stop it.

Yesterday was mainly people from outside the area who had travelled in and were intent on causing trouble. They responded to calls on social media and were not interested in the impact on the area and more importantly the families who had just lost their families.

Neither event is great but they are fundamentally different. 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

Harehills was people from the area kicking off and other people from the area trying to stop it.

Yesterday was mainly people from outside the area who had travelled in and were intent on causing trouble. They responded to calls on social media and were not interested in the impact on the area and more importantly the families who had just lost their families.

Neither event is great but they are fundamentally different. 

Which is why I said it was caused by  a build up of atrocities. 
 

If our communities rioted every time they thought there was an injustice  to them then the country would be constantly rioting. Which also highlights my point that we must be the most tolerant race/nationality on earth 

 

[London Wanderer]

23 minutes ago, royal white said:

Last nights events, as bad as they were, were  carried out by a tiny minority after a build up of years of atrocities carried out by what many will see as immigrants/boat people call them what you want. (Personally I’m surprised it took this long).

Now look at what happened in Leeds, the police and social services were doing their jobs and we had riots on a similar scale, for a one off incident from a community that the majority on here probably didn't even know resided in that area. 
 

Fast forward a week in and the airport incident, again a one off and we had mainly Muslims protesting, criminal damage and planned demos etc. 

 

Go back years ago to the Tottenham shooting had mainly blacks rioting and looting 

 

We must be the most tolerant race/nation (call us what you want) on earth, yet we all seemed to get tarred with the same brush because of a few (tiny on the scale of things) idiots. 

That would make sense if the lad was an immigrant or came on a boat. But as far as we're aware he was born here no? 

Last night was an example of braindead morons reacting to a false story and misinformation spread online. As was the Muslim protest and events in Leeds. Though 39 injured officers and an attack on innocent people in a mosque is significantly bigger than the previous two is it not? Not that it's necessarily helpful to weigh them up against each other.

What do you mean when you say we all seem to get tarred with the same brush?  

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

Which is why I said it was caused by  a build up of atrocities. 
 

If our communities rioted every time they thought there was an injustice  to them then the country would be constantly rioting. Which also highlights my point that we must be the most tolerant race/nationality on earth 

 

It is that tolerance that has bitten us on the backside.

Simply not in the psyche of politicians in the main parties.

Very easy for those with nefarious intent to establish their beliefs and norms without being properly challenged. 

The inevitable is now happening and now that initial quandary has become a massive migraine.

We were referred to as drama-queens not so long ago (despite the disorder already happening) but the band has started to snap, and earlier than I suspected it would. 

There will be meetings in quiet rooms, with the highest members of policing, government and maybe even military preparing plans. Just in case.

[Ani]

14 minutes ago, royal white said:

Which is why I said it was caused by  a build up of atrocities. 
 

If our communities rioted every time they thought there was an injustice  to them then the country would be constantly rioting. Which also highlights my point that we must be the most tolerant race/nationality on earth 

 

Yes, the two were different.

You know as well as I do that last nights trouble was not caused by people from Southport.  They have turned up and basically rioted and damaged a community that had been through a nightmare that most of us will never fully appreciate. 

[royal white]

14 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

That would make sense if the lad was an immigrant or came on a boat. But as far as we're aware he was born here no? 

Last night was an example of braindead morons reacting to a false story and misinformation spread online. As was the Muslim protest and events in Leeds. Though 39 injured officers and an attack on innocent people in a mosque is significantly bigger than the previous two is it not? Not that it's necessarily helpful to weigh them up against each other.

What do you mean when you say we all seem to get tarred with the same brush?  

 

Yes it was bigger but you would expect that considering England is predominantly white country and after the build up of atrocities. As I said in my last post if white/English communities rioted at every injustice the country would constantly be on fire. 
 

Tarred with the same brush - if you show concern about different religions, nationalise then you’re a far right racist. 

Edited July 31, 2024 by royal white

[London Wanderer]

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

 

We were referred to as drama-queens not so long ago (despite the disorder already happening) but the band has started to snap, and earlier than I suspected it would. 

There will be meetings in quiet rooms, with the highest members of policing, government and maybe even military preparing plans. Just in case.

Drama queen 😉

It'll be reet. 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Ani said:

Yes, the two were different.

You know as well as I do that last nights trouble was not caused by people from Southport.  They have turned up and basically rioted and damaged a community that had been through a nightmare that most of us will never fully appreciate. 

Im Honestly not sure what you’re not getting?  I know what you’re saying but it’s not what I’m saying. 

[London Wanderer]

Just now, royal white said:

Yes it was bigger but you would expect that considering england is predominantly white country and after the build up of atrocities. As I said in my last post if white/English communities rioted at every injustice the country would constantly be on fire. 
 

Tarred with the same brush - if you show concern about different religions, nationalise then you’re a far right racist. 

Hmm disagree with that mate. That usually comes from a minority of idiots on the far left. The majority of people, whether they agree or disagree with you, accept that concern over Islamism or immigration is perfectly legitimate. Even on the the radio today the BBC presenter dismissed someone calling in moaning about the 'far right and Farage'. She said agree or disagree, he's an elected politician who has to be be given a platform. 

Yes white/English communities don't riot every time there is an injustice. Neither do immigrant or Muslim communities. 

 

[Zico]

51 minutes ago, royal white said:

Go back years ago to the Tottenham shooting had mainly blacks rioting and looting 

you sure about that?

i saw the riots first hand in the centre of Manc, all types of scroats

like these

(unless the CCTV was edited)

Manchester riots: Do you recognise any of these looting suspects?

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-riots-do-you-recognise-any-868218

[Ani]

5 minutes ago, royal white said:

Im Honestly not sure what you’re not getting?  I know what you’re saying but it’s not what I’m saying. 

I do not think I said it was, my initial post was a general point, which you replied to .

i do not think there is anything I am not getting. I posted earlier this week that people focussing on the likes of Tommy Robinson rather than the issues they are highlighting ( or exploiting depending on your view) are missing the point there is genuine concern over issues relating to immigration and most people with these concerns are NOT racist or thick. 

[little whitt]

1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said:

Sad fact is domestic abuse rises when there is major international football tournaments. Doesn't get much of an airing, sadly.

They should stay in the KITCHEN out of the way then

[royal white]

18 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Hmm disagree with that mate. That usually comes from a minority of idiots on the far left. The majority of people, whether they agree or disagree with you, accept that concern over Islamism or immigration is perfectly legitimate. Even on the the radio today the BBC presenter dismissed someone calling in moaning about the 'far right and Farage'. She said agree or disagree, he's an elected politician who has to be be given a platform. 

Yes white/English communities don't riot every time there is an injustice. Neither do immigrant or Muslim communities. 

 

But I gave 2 instances when they did and both instances were down to their own doing. 

Imagine the scene if Muslim/foreign kids were killed in concerts/nurseries or raped on a regular basis

 

[London Wanderer]

13 minutes ago, royal white said:

But I gave 2 instances when they did and both instances were down to their own doing. 

Imagine the scene if Muslim/foreign kids were killed in concerts/nurseries or raped on a regular basis

 

Two instances doesn’t mean they riot at every injustice. Are the Muslims from that mosque in Southport currently planning a riot? Or are Muslims from the wider area pouring in to start one? Because they’ve just been blamed for a tragic incident that as far as we know, has fck all to do with them or even their religion. Yet they’re currently acting with calmness & tolerance in the face of violence. 

Sadly Muslim kids are killed daily at the hands of extremists. They don’t need us to imagine the scene. 

Edited July 31, 2024 by London Wanderer

[London Wanderer]

19 minutes ago, little whitt said:

They should stay in the KITCHEN out of the way then

Apparently the place where 90% of all accidents happen in the home. 
 

Which is why you’ll always find me sitting in the living room wearing a helmet.