Meanwhile In England

[Zico]

8 hours ago, bolty58 said:

 This is only going to get worse.

Aye, a thoroughly depressing thought 

I might emigrate 

[gonzo]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Just heard an interview with the Mosque leader . Sounds absolutely terrifying for him and the people inside. The police he said were brilliant in getting there in time to help them. Otherwise there could have been some serious harm caused.

Why people think now is the time to discuss Islamism, when we’ve been told it’s not terror related, is beyond me. 

After various other incidents where the authorities have declared them none terror related, when they are clearly are, you can see why folk don't believe them.

In this case they could be right. But it could well be the straw that broke the camels back.

It's all very sad.

[gonzo]

2 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

They go because they are being agitated by far right extremist groups who are allowed to do so on social media. I think it’s no more complex than that. When people say ‘but people are fed up of Islam’ it has more ermm substance when what they are actually protesting against has something to do with Islam.

The issue is that people are legitimising anger against groups - based purely on hatred and online misinformation. There is absolutely plenty of this that goes on in the muslim community too - it’s been called out on here frequently. But dealing with extremism and whatever is very different to justifying a mass mob descending on a community in mourning to protest an issue that has nothing to do with it and putting police and emergency workers in hospital.

The line ‘we are sick of it’ may as well be used about men. It’s virtually always men. We are sick of men being violent. But that’s as nonsensical as the line being used on social media to somehow contextualise what is simple far right thuggery. I’d call it terrorism because that’s what it is. If a group of Muslims did the same in protest about something fuelled by political misinformation I’d call it the same. 
 

We don’t know the full details yet what we know is ignored by people who have an agenda and backfilled with their own misinformation.

Ive seen some suggesting that a lot of this is being agitated by foreign states which wouldn’t surprise me. It’s easy to do. And if you want to destabilise the U.K. then plant some accounts on social media and go crazy - doesn’t take much. 
 

 

I think you underestimate the public and their real life experiences.

Reform voters haven't all been brainwashed by racist social media accounts. 

 

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I've not seen one person not doing.

Explaining why it's happening and why it was so easy to go off is a different conversation.

Army bloke stabbed last week, the airport thing, tens of thousands in London for anti Islam March then 3 kids murdered. Even with a 1% chance this scum fucker was slightly off pale that last night was going to happen.

Been saying if two weeks on here ffs. People just don't want to listen and pretend it's all just a handful of racist gammon.

It's a wave of discontent throughout the UK/Ireland and mainland Europe.

Le pen, wilders, right wing office in Italy, riots in England etc etc.

The problem isn't going away and all it takes is a few incidents and it will go even more bang off.

It's on a knife edge in Dublin too.

 

The argument it’s not just a bunch of far right folk stirring it up isn’t helped by things like last night….

If incidents that don’t involve Muslims are incorrectly blamed on Muslims and when the facts are out they are chosen not to be believed….what do you do with that? How can anyone say this isn’t inspired by hatred?

[deeane Koontz]

3 minutes ago, Zico said:

If you're not seen condemn the rioters, you support them 

If you condemn the rioters you're not angry or upset about kids getting killed or that the murderer wasn't really British, not proper British

And on in circles it goes 

Anyway 

 

 

Was just listening to LBC they had a couple of locals on. Said while the locals were visiting and paying their respects at the vigil they noticed groups from outside the area loitering about on benches boozing. Just interested in one thing those cunts.

A crate of Andi Peters too 🤢

[captainmed]

50 minutes ago, wiggy said:

I’m sorry but anyone who isn’t simply condemning last night’s rioting should take a very long hard look at themselves. 

We’re one of the most tolerant countries in the world.

Its the straw that broke the camels back.

[gonzo]

11 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

The argument it’s not just a bunch of far right folk stirring it up isn’t helped by things like last night….

If incidents that don’t involve Muslims are incorrectly blamed on Muslims and when the facts are out they are chosen not to be believed….what do you do with that? How can anyone say this isn’t inspired by hatred?

It's all just so shit

[Not in Crawley]

14 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

The argument it’s not just a bunch of far right folk stirring it up isn’t helped by things like last night….

If incidents that don’t involve Muslims are incorrectly blamed on Muslims and when the facts are out they are chosen not to be believed….what do you do with that? How can anyone say this isn’t inspired by hatred?

I'd say it's a mix of fear, economic and social issues that lead to one group being vilified over another. It's happened all throughout history - from the St Brice's Day Massacre and onwards. It's no difference, weaponisation of words from those with platforms.

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I think you underestimate the public and their real life experiences.

Reform voters haven't all been brainwashed by racist social media accounts. 

 

It’s hard to discuss because it’s massively complex and nuanced and discussions online are anything but.

Park reform voters for a minute as it’s a complex issue.

People have real life experiences and see what happens and whatever but if the lens for a lot of that is so distorted as to present only certain truths alongside a bunch of falsehoods it’s problematic. We saw this from some of those independent Muslim candidates in the election. The way they presented outright lies to ‘their community’ incessantly allowed some of them to win seats. 

The problem is that we had only a few weeks back a horrific crossbow killing of three women. Why weren’t people rioting on the streets about that?

 

It’s easy to sow division and hatred and I fear that’s where we are. All violent crime that takes place in this country isn’t linked to Islam. Yet that isn’t what many associated with reform or these groups want to paint a picture of. It’s dangerous and we can all remember lessons in history as to why. 
 

Genuine issues and problems and grievances are one thing. The behaviour of some people in some communities is not good. But we need to stop reflecting that back on the whole community. IMHO. 

[deeane Koontz]

Twitter seemed to be getting some kind of handle on fake news a few years ago. Swifter community notices and banning dickhead accounts etc.

It's turned into an absolute shitshow again with Musk. 

[Guest]

This is what we are as a country. Not the divisive hate fuelled place some minorities want. 

[deeane Koontz]

5 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

This is what we are as a country. Not the divisive hate fuelled place some minorities want. 

 

That's belting that 👏

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

17 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said:

Twitter seemed to be getting some kind of handle on fake news a few years ago. Swifter community notices and banning dickhead accounts etc.

It's turned into an absolute shitshow again with Musk. 

To be fair, the community note function has improved drastically since Musk's takeover

The influence of bots and fake news sadly hasn't

[fatolive]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

There's a massive wave on the horizon in Ireland too.

Just because you suggest things are going to happen, it's a tinder box etc, it doesn't mean you agree with them.

Folk sticking their fingers in their ears and burying their heads is extremely dangerous.

Already going off in Ireland for months, years if you count the taxi drivers issues , not too much of it makes the news here but hotels housing asylum seekers set on fire, rioting and setting detention centres on fire, estate agents under threat of what will happen if they sell/ rent  a house to non Irish people and then that threat being carried out . 
the catalyst was a young girl getting stabbed there too, though the discontent , feeling of community being ignored , shanty tent cities etc was well established prior to that , just the straw that broke the camels back , same as here. 
Dublin in particular didn’t need to import criminals and muggers, it has loads of its own, but the recent arrivals committing crime and mugging people are highlighted more 

the similarities between Britain and Ireland at the moment is the most I have ever seen in my life in terms of people’s views and people’s different views. 
arguments the same there as here . 
I was over speaking with someone, who would be Irish to the core, Republican in his beliefs ,( as in Ireland united, not bombing  etc) he would be on the diametrically opposed side to right wing in Britain in years gone by , yet listening to him on what’s happening in his town now , is the same as some Here just with an Irish accent.
 

Perception of immigration being the cause of their ills is the common denominator for both no matter what anyone says , whether immigration is the cause is irrelevant . 

doesn’t excuse the actions in my opinion 
Just a point on the similarities of people who would previously be at loggerheads are now exactly the same and for the same reasons 

 

[Casino]

2 hours ago, gonzo said:

I've not seen one person not doing.

 

 

with respect pal, rubbish

many aren't 'simply condemning'

theres all sorts of excuses trotted out

edit not particularly picking you out, sorry

its just theres loads of reasons given for it, but none of em mention they were too thick to realise they were being played

[deeane Koontz]

8 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

To be fair, the community note function has improved drastically since Musk's takeover

The influence of bots and fake news sadly hasn't

It's grim.

[radcliffe white]

Not looking good for Huw Edwards

 

[Marc505]

33 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said:

Twitter seemed to be getting some kind of handle on fake news a few years ago. Swifter community notices and banning dickhead accounts etc.

It's turned into an absolute shitshow again with Musk. 

 

[Sweep]

11 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

 

Just shows how much of a cesspit Twitter really is

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

40 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

This is what we are as a country. Not the divisive hate fuelled place some minorities want. 

The reality is that we're both

[London Wanderer]

56 minutes ago, gonzo said:

After various other incidents where the authorities have declared them none terror related, when they are clearly are, you can see why folk don't believe them.

In this case they could be right. But it could well be the straw that broke the camels back.

It's all very sad.

On the latter I agree. It's utterly depressing, feel deflated.  Brilliant to see local white folk and Muslims working together to rebuild that Mosque wall though.

This has clearly been stirred up by the shite spread on social media. I'm all for understanding why and discussing it, but a lot of it felt as if folk were sympathising with what happened last night. And I know that's probably just an emotional overreaction on my part.  The police have declared this non-terror related. And as for the fella arrested with the knife, we know nothing about that yet. Other than blurry photo of the colour of his skin. Even if the police are lying and both were Islamic extremists - attacking a Mosque is a ridiculous response. 

It's interesting though that when people attended a vigil for Sarah Everard's murder and tension broke out - you labelled them 'grief junkies' and 'jumping on a bandwagon'. Strange you didn't say it had anything to do with the epidemic of violence against women, but these riots have everything to do with mass immigration and radicalisation. Not trying to criticise you here at all, agree with a lot of what you post, just raising an observation. 

For what it's worth, we are trying to prevent radicalisation. Yesterday a hate preacher was jailed for life - what a fckn brilliant message that sends across the UK. We are also trying to stop the boats. And if Labour fail, then I would not be surprised at all if Reform or the Conservatives make huge strides and take us out the ECHR. 

That's democracy in action. The mob rule can get to fck - innocent and peaceful Muslims worshipping on Tuesday night in Southport are not (and never will be) responsible for what happened. 
 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

The reality is that we're both

Yes but vast majority - silent majority is this. Good decent people. 

[Marc505]

7 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Just shows how much of a cesspit Twitter really is

It does. Even if you don't agree with the premise or the analysis of the author, it really does show how powerfully a narrative can travel and become ingrained on there. It's one of the most damaging things to have ever happened to the fabric of society for me, twitter.

[radcliffe white]

6 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

On the latter I agree. It's utterly depressing, feel deflated.  Brilliant to see local white folk and Muslims working together to rebuild that Mosque wall though.

This has clearly been stirred up by the shite spread on social media. I'm all for understanding why and discussing it, but a lot of it felt as if folk were sympathising with what happened last night. And I know that's probably just an emotional overreaction on my part.  The police have declared this non-terror related. And as for the fella arrested with the knife, we know nothing about that yet. Other than blurry photo of the colour of his skin. Even if the police are lying and both were Islamic extremists - attacking a Mosque is a ridiculous response. 

It's interesting though that when people attended a vigil for Sarah Everard's murder and tension broke out - you labelled them 'grief junkies' and 'jumping on a bandwagon'. Strange you didn't say it had anything to do with the epidemic of violence against women, but these riots have everything to do with mass immigration and radicalisation. Not trying to criticise you here at all, agree with a lot of what you post, just raising an observation. 

For what it's worth, we are trying to prevent radicalisation. Yesterday a hate preacher was jailed for life - what a fckn brilliant message that sends across the UK. We are also trying to stop the boats. And if Labour fail, then I would not be surprised at all if Reform or the Conservatives make huge strides and take us out the ECHR. 

That's democracy in action. The mob rule can get to fck - innocent and peaceful Muslims worshipping on Tuesday night in Southport are not (and never will be) responsible for what happened. 
 

It’s good news regarding Choudary however so much damage has been allowed to happen going back to mid 90s he just repeatedly offended 

[London Wanderer]

 

Just now, radcliffe white said:

It’s good news regarding Choudary however so much damage has been allowed to happen going back to mid 90s he just repeatedly offended 

Absolutely

But the fact we're doing this now shows that finally our justice system is waking up to it. 

39 officers injured last night. Imagine the outrage if that was a group of Islamists rioting and attacking a church. Would we all be sat here discussing their motives and trying to understand their warped view of the world? 

Appreciate that's some tangent and not necessarily directed at you. 

Yesterday is mostly an eye opener into how dangerous social media has become now. Played out like a Black Mirror episode and will only get worse with advancements in AI.