Meanwhile In England

[MancWanderer]

41 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Society still hasn't grasped the enormity of what went on in towns up and down the country

I think society has imo

The problem now is how you “comment” on it and who is to blame

[bolty58]

2 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

One of the girls was raped by over 150 men by the time she turned 16

Society still hasn't grasped the enormity of what went on in towns up and down the country

 

But, but, but.............what about cultural awareness and insensitivity, diversity and inclusion, white paedophiles, institutional racism, inter faith cooperation, lascivious white Lolita's.........

Pull your head in lad. You need to stop commenting/posting on minor infractions like this.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

19 hours ago, MancWanderer said:

I think society has imo

The problem now is how you “comment” on it and who is to blame

Not so sure.

Heard one mon saying he reckons it's still going on.

[royal white]

Oh heck 

 

 

[Casino]

https://prisonreformtrust.org.uk/prt-comment-alex-chalks-statement-on-prison-capacity/

[athywhite1958]

46 minutes ago, royal white said:

Oh heck 

 

 

it's a fucking shit show

[London Wanderer]

44 minutes ago, Casino said:

https://prisonreformtrust.org.uk/prt-comment-alex-chalks-statement-on-prison-capacity/

Aye

 There will be more incidents of those released offending no doubt.

 Can’t be worse than the prisons filling up though surely ?

 It’s a mess either way

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Aye

 There will be more incidents of those released offending no doubt.

 Can’t be worse than the prisons filling up though surely ?

 It’s a mess either way

I’m sure those who will fall victim to the reoffenders will disagree. 

[bolty58]

5 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Not so sure.

Heard one mon saying he reckons it's still going on.

You can be certain that it always will.

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, athywhite1958 said:

it's a fucking shit show

But Starmtrooper won't be deflected from his 'far right' purge will he? Outrageous sentencing in many cases. Some definitely justified but the cuntox is attempting to frighten folk away from expressing dissatisfaction with out of control immigration.

Next uprising outside Labour HQ? 

 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

On 13/09/2024 at 23:13, MancWanderer said:

I think society has imo

There'd have been a public inquiry into the failures by now if it had

[MancWanderer]

2 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

There'd have been a public inquiry into the failures by now if it had

I think that I maybe didn’t grasp what you were saying 👍

[London Wanderer]

20 hours ago, royal white said:

I’m sure those who will fall victim to the reoffenders will disagree. 

Some of them definitely will

 lesser of two evils really

 what do you think we should do?

[Farrelli]

2 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

Some of them definitely will

 lesser of two evils really

 what do you think we should do?

They should have built a couple of new prisons since July

[London Wanderer]

42 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

They should have built a couple of new prisons since July

😆

 Or put them in hotels

[royal white]

I probably wouldn’t release dangerous criminals to make space for those who made social media posts. 
 

I’d also look at using the old military bases that were previously being used to hold asylum seekers as a Cat D prison.

Oh and the death sentence for kiddy killers, that should create a bit of space.

Royal for PM 

Edited September 16, 2024 by royal white

[Tonge moor green jacket]

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/new-prison-near-market-harborough-reserved-matters/new-prison-near-market-harborough-the-new-prisons-programme#:~:text=So far%2C the New Prisons,showing some of the houseblocks.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/will-prisons-run-out-of-space/#:~:text=New prison places and construction,and refurbishing the existing estate.

Some quite interesting data here. 

New capacity has been created, and new on the way.

From what I've heard (could be bollocks) prison spending isn't a particularly important thing for governments as supposedly the public don't see it as a high priority. 

May well be different now.

In 4 years time, I wonder how many more new ones will have been commissioned?

 

[Cheese]

53 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/new-prison-near-market-harborough-reserved-matters/new-prison-near-market-harborough-the-new-prisons-programme#:~:text=So far%2C the New Prisons,showing some of the houseblocks.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/will-prisons-run-out-of-space/#:~:text=New prison places and construction,and refurbishing the existing estate.

Some quite interesting data here. 

New capacity has been created, and new on the way.

From what I've heard (could be bollocks) prison spending isn't a particularly important thing for governments as supposedly the public don't see it as a high priority. 

May well be different now.

In 4 years time, I wonder how many more new ones will have been commissioned?

This is an important extract:

This recent rise has been driven by an increase of people on remand, who now make up nearly one-in-five prisoners (16,500 people as of March 2024). Of these, 10,700 were awaiting trial, the highest number of untried prisoners on record.

The Courts Service has also been run into the ground over the last decade and a half.

[royal white]

13 minutes ago, Cheese said:

This is an important extract:

This recent rise has been driven by an increase of people on remand, who now make up nearly one-in-five prisoners (16,500 people as of March 2024). Of these, 10,700 were awaiting trial, the highest number of untried prisoners on record.

The Courts Service has also been run into the ground over the last decade and a half.

Another important extract is planning permission being refused for numerous prisons. Kind of like the thousands of houses that have been refused planning permission. Maybe we wouldn’t be in such a mess if councils stopped blocking proposed plans

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

Another important extract is planning permission being refused for numerous prisons. Kind of like the thousands of houses that have been refused planning permission. Maybe we wouldn’t be in such a mess if councils stopped blocking proposed plans

Agreed. Can't stand NIMBYs.

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, royal white said:

I probably wouldn’t release dangerous criminals to make space for those who made social media posts. 
 

I’d also look at using the old military bases that were previously being used to hold asylum seekers as a Cat D prison.

Oh and the death sentence for kiddy killers, that should create a bit of space.

Royal for PM 

I think they were set to be released before the riots even happened no? 

Governments (right & left) have always come down much harder on riots. If you don't, as you're suggesting, then you're heading into dangerous territory. Inciting hatred and calling for attacks on social media should also be punished, especially if the attacks were acted on. Which they were, all over the country. It's good to see more being done over social media. 

Sadly criminals reoffend, even after full sentences. 

It does seem, that the risks of overcrowding and lack of places are worse than a proportion on early release who reoffend. And I get that the victims may not see it that way. 

Seems all this is just the tip of the iceberg though, the prison system appears absolutely fcked. 

I agree that the military barges could have been another option. Though I've not idea of the cost to set up as a prison and get enough staff. 

[royal white]

16 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I think they were set to be released before the riots even happened no? 

Governments (right & left) have always come down much harder on riots. If you don't, as you're suggesting, then you're heading into dangerous territory. Inciting hatred and calling for attacks on social media should also be punished, especially if the attacks were acted on. Which they were, all over the country. It's good to see more being done over social media. 

Sadly criminals reoffend, even after full sentences. 

It does seem, that the risks of overcrowding and lack of places are worse than a proportion on early release who reoffend. And I get that the victims may not see it that way. 

Seems all this is just the tip of the iceberg though, the prison system appears absolutely fcked. 

I agree that the military barges could have been another option. Though I've not idea of the cost to set up as a prison and get enough staff. 

Bases (land based camps) New prisons will need staff eventually so surely they won’t be hard to get? 
 

Im not saying they don’t come down hard on social media posts, but I’m suggesting they would be better off in a facility like I mentioned rather than violent criminals being released early. 
 

Still trying to make sense of your comment that some of those being released early will reoffend but that’s not as bad as prisons filling up. 

[Casino]

4 minutes ago, royal white said:

Bases (land based camps) New prisons will need staff eventually so surely they won’t be hard to get? 

@athywhite1958

id say adequate prison officers are far from as readily available as we would like to think?

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, Casino said:

@athywhite1958

id say adequate prison officers are far from as readily available as we would like to think?

And camps wouldn’t be available  straight away. 
 

10 weeks training to be a Prison Officer. 

[Casino]

9 minutes ago, royal white said:

And camps wouldn’t be available  straight away. 
 

10 weeks training to be a Prison Officer. 

again, i think athy will tell us its nowhere near enough as most of the owd uns have fucked off