Meanwhile In England

[London Wanderer]

36 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

 Migrants play a very important role in Caring as they do in the  NHS as they do in all aspects of society. 

I pretty sure that’s the point he was making

[BobyBrno]

27 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I pretty sure that’s the point he was making

Really? A totally inaccurate statement to prove a point. A bit like Donald Trump. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

Over 3/4 are British. They may be different colours but British. Migrants play a very important role in Caring as they do in the  NHS as they do in all aspects of society. He’s talking bollocks and you’re agreeing with him. 

Strangely, if we stopped bringing in so many for low paid, undervalued jobs, then maybe those jobs might become better paid, and have more Britons being willing to apply. 

Chicken and egg.

I also wonder if some roles that are currently attained by a degree process, could be opened up to an alternative approach.

Did nurses all need such a qualification in the past?

[Cheese]

8 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Strangely, if we stopped bringing in so many for low paid, undervalued jobs, then maybe those jobs might become better paid, and have more Britons being willing to apply. 

😂

[Not in Crawley]

21 minutes ago, Cheese said:

😂

I'm not sure if TMGJ knows how inflation works.

[BobyBrno]

11 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I'm not sure if TMGJ knows how inflation works.

😅

Go on, how does inflation work? 

[gonzo]

Was the banner not referring to the fuel allowance cut? Ie a looking after financially, rather than physically?

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Was the banner not referring to the fuel allowance cut? Ie a looking after financially, rather than physically?

 

Of course it was.

Everyone knows it too.

[Not in Crawley]

43 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

😅

Go on, how does inflation work? 

If you need someone to spell out all the flaws in the previous post, then I haven't got the inclination to help to be honest.

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Really? A totally inaccurate statement to prove a point. A bit like Donald Trump. 

You’ve lost me mate

[BobyBrno]

35 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

If you need someone to spell out all the flaws in the previous post, then I haven't got the inclination to help to be honest.

Inflation doesn’t ‘work’. It’s an effect. 
 

[Not in Crawley]

Just now, BobyBrno said:

Inflation doesn’t ‘work’. It’s an 

Ok, have a lovely evening x 

 

[Zico]

5 hours ago, Cheese said:

Who do you think looks after British pensioners?

My old man was in and out of Townley's, Labernum Lodge and had carers come 3 times a day for last 18 months

Most where white British locals, but also some blacks but never thought to ask where they were from

[London Wanderer]

14 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Strangely, if we stopped bringing in so many for low paid, undervalued jobs, then maybe those jobs might become better paid, and have more Britons being willing to apply. 

Chicken and egg.

I also wonder if some roles that are currently attained by a degree process, could be opened up to an alternative approach.

Did nurses all need such a qualification in the past?

Just did a double take on this post

 Christ almighty

Back to the days of Florence Nightingale when nurses didn’t need a qualification 😆 It’s a skilled job that requires a mix of training & practical placements. You could shorten it maybe & pay some of, or all of, the fees for British students.

The issue with Britons doing these jobs is our aging population. Even if more wanted to do such jobs we’re a ticking demographic timebomb with a declining birth rate. Economists have been suggesting Western countries may be competing over migrants in future decades.

Stopping them coming in immediately would cause absolute carnage in our social care system. 
 

Maybe when Britain First next sit down to ‘write’ their manifesto they can propose a forced birth rate increase on white British families 👍

 

[kent_white]

Just weighing in on the nurse argument. 

I don't think you need a degree to be a nurse. I think I'd have been more skilled if we had done more practical, hands on work rather than modules about 'transition shock' and 'cultural competence'. 

But the idea is for nurses to nudge up in what they're expected to do - and for HCA's to do some of the work that a nurse would have traditionally done. 

If we had enough staff - then we wouldn't need to go down this route......

[MancWanderer]

My youngest was working for Lancashire Council in one of these ‘houses/centres’ for folk with high level autism. Overall she enjoyed it despite shit wages and shit conditions. She loved helping the folk in there

This is my take on what happened based on my conversations with her. More than happy for anyone to fact check it and correct me

To keep it short a number of nurses appeared from Ghana. Suddenly, youngest is put on a zero hours contract and ended up working only 2-3 days per week. The Ghanaians were given full contract with a £2000 bonus (this where it gets hazy - I have it in my mind that this was every month to look after their families)

At work youngest was pulled out every minute of the day. The Ghanaians sat on their phones most of the time and screamed no if youngest asked for help 

She left. She was skint and doing all the work. Had a (fortunately) minor mental health episode with all the stress

Not sure who to blame on this? Previous Tory government? Lancashire Council? And not sure what this £2000 payment is but it’s definitely linked to being an immigrant 

She is so far left wing btw she’d put some on here to shame so it’s not a racist rant 

[Cheese]

11 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

My youngest was working for Lancashire Council in one of these ‘houses/centres’ for folk with high level autism. Overall she enjoyed it despite shit wages and shit conditions. She loved helping the folk in there

This is my take on what happened based on my conversations with her. More than happy for anyone to fact check it and correct me

To keep it short a number of nurses appeared from Ghana. Suddenly, youngest is put on a zero hours contract and ended up working only 2-3 days per week. The Ghanaians were given full contract with a £2000 bonus (this where it gets hazy - I have it in my mind that this was every month to look after their families)

At work youngest was pulled out every minute of the day. The Ghanaians sat on their phones most of the time and screamed no if youngest asked for help 

She left. She was skint and doing all the work. Had a (fortunately) minor mental health episode with all the stress

Not sure who to blame on this? Previous Tory government? Lancashire Council? And not sure what this £2000 payment is but it’s definitely linked to being an immigrant 

She is so far left wing btw she’d put some on here to shame so it’s not a racist rant 

Jesus wept. You don't seriously believe all that actually happened?

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

On the subject and unconnected to the post above, the staffing of care homes, particularly privately owned care homes will, or should be, be the next scandal

It needs far, far more regulation

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

On the subject and unconnected to the post above, the staffing of care homes, particularly privately owned care homes will, or should be, be the next scandal

It needs far, far more regulation

Agreed. About 3 grand a month per resident, yet the carers get an absolute pittance. I'm sure we can all guess where the cash is going.

[Winchester White]

It's OK according to some as it's keeping our pensions healthy.

[MancWanderer]

3 hours ago, Cheese said:

Jesus wept. You don't seriously believe all that actually happened?

Yes. Unfortunately it did. Like I said. Fact check me at will. And ask yourself if I’ve bullshitted about stuff on here previously. Hopefully you know me well enough

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

Yes. Unfortunately it did. Like I said. Fact check me at will. And ask yourself if I’ve bullshitted about stuff on here previously. Hopefully you know me well enough

Nah mate, your lass is clearly lying. He obviously knows differently. 

Yes, the care industry certainly does need improved regulation/inspection. 

As for how it all came about, seems to have been a gradual shift away from public to private in 80s and 90s.

https://weownit.org.uk/public-ownership/care-work#:~:text=The history&text=During the 1980s and 1990s,market%2C replacing local authority services.

The usual debate will ensue, but ultimately it shouldn't matter- quality should be assured and value given.

 

 

[crawshawbooth]

6 hours ago, Cheese said:

Agreed. About 3 grand a month per resident, yet the carers get an absolute pittance. I'm sure we can all guess where the cash is going.

dreaming

was £4,780 a month until my mum passed away in February of this year. Cannot imagine what inflation will push it up to next year for any poor souls needing it .

[Chadderton]

13 hours ago, crawshawbooth said:

dreaming

was £4,780 a month until my mum passed away in February of this year. Cannot imagine what inflation will push it up to next year for any poor souls needing it .

My dad's fees went up 17% this year. The care home put part of the blame on the 'minimum wage rise.'

[Sweep]

13 hours ago, crawshawbooth said:

dreaming

was £4,780 a month until my mum passed away in February of this year. Cannot imagine what inflation will push it up to next year for any poor souls needing it .

That's incredible really, over £150 per night