frank_spencer Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 He should go back to the same set up vs Hull at home. Maybe Magennis in for doidge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted November 3, 2018 Moderators Share Posted November 3, 2018 15 hours ago, mickbrown said: I don’t see the point of the Turkish fella. Just catching up Last night proved we can play 442 cos we played 441 and didn't get battered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share Posted November 3, 2018 Donaldson is the best striker for holding ball up 442 for me against Swansea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainmed Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 (edited) I’ve seen the last 4 of the last 5 away games, “live” and “sober”. In every one we deserved nothing and it was so bloody comfortable for the home team. Once we concede you know it’s game over. We create next to nothing as the stats clearly show and we’re a horrible, tedious watch. We got one point in these 4 games, at Rotherham and we didn’t deserve that. And that’s only the away games. Something has to change...... Edited November 3, 2018 by captainmed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, captainmed said: I’ve seen the last 4 games away games, “live” and “sober”. In every one we deserved nothing and it was so bloody comfortable for the home team. Once we concede you know it’s game over. We create next to nothing as the stats clearly show and we’re a horrible, tedious watch. We got one point in these 4 games, at Rotherham and we didn’t deserve that. And that’s only the away games. Something has to change...... Home form is the key, that’s where we’ve been shocking. We’ve 2 away wins and a couple of draws which is passable. Edited November 3, 2018 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted November 3, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted November 3, 2018 I get all the "Parky Out!" viewpoints but I can't help thinking fondly of our opening few games of the season. What did Parky do then that he isn't doing now? I get that Le Fonre went but he'd barely starred in the first few games. It didn't take long for teams to start to exploit our weakness (not being able to play football) so what happened at WBA, Reading, etc.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share Posted November 3, 2018 1 minute ago, MickyD said: I get all the "Parky Out!" viewpoints but I can't help thinking fondly of our opening few games of the season. What did Parky do then that he isn't doing now? I get that Le Fonre went but he'd barely starred in the first few games. It didn't take long for teams to start to exploit our weakness (not being able to play football) so what happened at WBA, Reading, etc.? We had a great deal of luck in those early games tbf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted November 3, 2018 Moderators Share Posted November 3, 2018 I don't think we were lucky at reading but aye, we rode our luck And we had ameobi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share Posted November 3, 2018 Alnwick made a few saves to keep us in at Reading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted November 3, 2018 Moderators Share Posted November 3, 2018 It's his job, matey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e2e4 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 urgh . the only plus is we're not getting beat by 3 clear goals every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 16 hours ago, mickbrown said: I'd play Williams where Oz is playing. Have him further forward. He can take the ball on the turn, he can run at defenders and he can pick a pass. I've yet to see Oz do that. And I hate to say this about Oz, as he's probably had it all his life, but he's just too small. And it does matter. On a slightly related note, I read an interview with David Brookes (Bournemouth, ex Sheff U) in the Mirror today in which he said that after City released him around 4 years ago Bolton turned him down because he was too small. That inspired decision cost us about £10mil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianWhite Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 The stark reality is that we are useless going forward without ameobi. We are a one man team unfortunately, and unless he stays fit, were going to be in and around the bottom 5 or 6 most of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainmed Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 After today’s results were a point off 2nd bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 6 hours ago, Eddie said: For me the most obvious problem that we have is that we don’t score goals, 3 in 15 hours of football is embarrassing. Without scoring there is so much pressure on keeping clean sheets and we’re just not good enough to keep enough of them. Our best chance of goals is Doidge, his record shows that, albeit in a lower league, and his finish at Rotherham was one that no other player in our team could have done. If Parky doesn’t think he can play up top on his own then pick whoever is better out of Magennis and Donaldson and play them as a 2, give them 5 games together, let them train together as a partnership for a few weeks. Work back from there. I’d say the current “wingers” are useless so until Ameobi comes back you could either go down the route of a narrow midfield 4 with Oztumer in the 10 role and 3 behind, probably Lowe, Williams and Vela/Murphy or go 352. Both systems have their weak points, the narrow midfield puts pressure on the full backs and you need your midfield 3 to get out wide and cover but that’s the kind of stuff you should be working on in training to solve. 352 has more issues for me, I do think that we now have centre backs that are more comfortable in that system, Wilson is a lot happier than Beevers to shift out to left back and Hobbs is better than any of last years options, but we don’t really have the wingbacks. Olkowski has been one of our better players but looks lost as a wingback and then the left wingback position is a choice of 3 bad options. There isn’t an easy option, but doing what he’s doing at the moment, different formations, 5 changes, not giving anyone a run to find some form, confusion all over the pitch. It smacks of just throwing ideas out there and hoping one works, without actually working on anything. There’s no plan and it’s looking more and more like the desperation at the end of Lennon’s stint. I hope he turns it round because you can’t argue with what he’s done for the club, but hiding behind the same excuses whilst hoping one of his many approaches somehow works or Ameobi comes back as the saviour once again is tedious. Absolutely spot on. 2 up front supported by Oz or Ireland, and Ameobi. Williams and Lowe defensive mid. Ditch rubbish wingers. 4 man defence. And stick with it for half a dozen games, tell them he believes in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted November 3, 2018 Moderators Share Posted November 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: On a slightly related note, I read an interview with David Brookes (Bournemouth, ex Sheff U) in the Mirror today in which he said that after City released him around 4 years ago Bolton turned him down because he was too small. That inspired decision cost us about £10mil. Out of interest, do you think he's the only player we turned down Or do you think there might be fcuking hundreds And do you think there's only us turned down the fantastic opportunity to sign him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 18 minutes ago, Casino said: Out of interest, do you think he's the only player we turned down Or do you think there might be fcuking hundreds And do you think there's only us turned down the fantastic opportunity to sign him Turning players down who go on to do well elsewhere is an occupational hazard. Turning players down because they're too small (if that really was the case) would be pretty stupid. The greatest player in the world for the last ten years should have put such nonsense to bed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 29 minutes ago, Casino said: Out of interest, do you think he's the only player we turned down Or do you think there might be fcuking hundreds And do you think there's only us turned down the fantastic opportunity to sign him We also turned down Alan Ball for the same reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySanchez Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Casino said: I don't think we were lucky at reading but aye, we rode our luck And we had ameobi If Reading had decent forwards we would have easily lost that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySanchez Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 43 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: On a slightly related note, I read an interview with David Brookes (Bournemouth, ex Sheff U) in the Mirror today in which he said that after City released him around 4 years ago Bolton turned him down because he was too small. That inspired decision cost us about £10mil. That old shit argument You'll be moaning about Walters and mooy next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted November 3, 2018 Moderators Share Posted November 3, 2018 Fair point Despite what is said in the article I'd think it's much nearer the truth that we didn't think he was good enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted November 3, 2018 Moderators Share Posted November 3, 2018 19 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said: If Reading had decent forwards we would have easily lost that one But they haven't Like we haven't It's why they are as shit as us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted November 3, 2018 Moderators Share Posted November 3, 2018 Anyway, Brooks left city at 17 He's 5 feet 10, ffs Hardly a bloody midget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted November 3, 2018 Moderators Share Posted November 3, 2018 Wiki has him at 5 10 Mail at 5 6 5 2 at the time he left city Anyway, I still don't think we turned him down cos he was two small Reading about him, sheff Utd almost got shut of him to chesterfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Brooks is quality how someone can’t see that is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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