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1 hour ago, gonzo said:

We just havent got the personel to go full on barca.  Sheehan was bullied off the park in first leg, Lee is clearly unfit and shoretire is crap. 

Not sure what else he couldve done. We were still trying to play like barca in the 94th minute. 

They were just better, fitter and stronger than us over 2 legs. Thats sport sometimes. Nobodies fault. Dont think Pep or Jose could've hatched a better plan. We were just out muscled.

 

I agree but seeing as is was patently obvious they were the more "athletic" team after the first leg I thought we might go for it and play "the Evatt way". But quality is always going to be the problem when you're trying to play like City or Barca with League 1 players. I just thought we weren't going to do them playing their way so why not chuck on the better technique and pray they have a good game? At least if we went down we'd do it with style and trying to play "the right way".

Time to move on and see what the summer brings - and hope we can somehow get the better quality we need.

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4 hours ago, gonzo said:

We just havent got the personel to go full on barca.  Sheehan was bullied off the park in first leg, Lee is clearly unfit and shoretire is crap. 

Not sure what else he couldve done. We were still trying to play like barca in the 94th minute. 

They were just better, fitter and stronger than us over 2 legs. Thats sport sometimes. Nobodies fault. Dont think Pep or Jose could've hatched a better plan. We were just out muscled.

 

He could have lumped the ball into the penalty box on every occasion in the last 20 mimures not sure why he put 2 big lads on and didn’t instruct the team to lump like Barnsley did for the whole 180 minutes. I’m not Evatt basher but he’s had a nightmare in the 2 games. 

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16 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

He could of lumped the ball into the penalty box on every occasion, not sure why he put 2 big lads on and didn’t instruct the team to lump it up on every occasion… like Barnsley did for the whole 180 minutes. I’m not Evatt basher but he’s had a nightmare in the 2 games. 

Certainly a lack of invention/alternative.

Some width, and crosses to the bigger lads.

Even city put the ball in for the big fellas to have a go at from time to time.

Anyway, it's done now. Learn and move on.

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6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Certainly a lack of invention/alternative.

Some width, and crosses to the bigger lads.

Even city put the ball in for the big fellas to have a go at from time to time.

Anyway, it's done now. Learn and move on.

Dan, Victor and Cameron are all a fair few inches shorter than Andersen and Kitching etc - Victor's actually only 5'9" - so unless it's a pinpoint cross it's a waste as we don't actually have any big lads up top - apart from JDB who is 6'3".

Erling Haaland on the other hand is 6'4" and leaps like a salmon ......so it's no surprise City occasionally cross to him.

 

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Victor is 1.8m, so 6 feet

Jerome is taller.

Quality crosses from wide positions can negate the height advantage as it becomes about position, speed, and anticipation.

Remember the first goal at Wembley?

Get defenders doing their bit facing their own goal.

Not a difficult concept, especially when they spent most of both games blocking out much that went straight.

We did it once in the first game and scored.

 

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4 hours ago, gonzo said:

We just havent got the personel to go full on barca.  Sheehan was bullied off the park in first leg, Lee is clearly unfit and shoretire is crap. 

Not sure what else he couldve done. We were still trying to play like barca in the 94th minute. 

They were just better, fitter and stronger than us over 2 legs. Thats sport sometimes. Nobodies fault. Dont think Pep or Jose could've hatched a better plan. We were just out muscled.

 

I wasn't at the 3-0 away win but they must have improved a hell of a lot if we assume our levels haven't changed, I'm assuming they weren't fitter and stronger than us on January 2nd. 

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4 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I wasn't at the 3-0 away win but they must have improved a hell of a lot if we assume our levels haven't changed, I'm assuming they weren't fitter and stronger than us on January 2nd. 

They did have a player sent off early

charles & Dempsey was immense that day 

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2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’m not Evatt basher but he’s had a nightmare in the 2 games. 

He’s not as good a Manager as Duff tactically.

We are not as good as Barnsley as a team.

Combine those two and the outcome was fairly inevitable.

Saying that it’s been a season of real progress & IE is still one of the better Managers in L1. However he still has one hell of a lot still to learn and it’s crucial that he accepts that. 

He speaks excellently but the actual execution and detail is often lacking. 

He has a big season ahead where a real promotion push has to be the focus and not just hovering around 5/6th and sneaking into the play-offs without ever looking like being promoted.

As a division it’s weaker next season and with investment I fancy us.

Its so frustrating that the January  additions actually made us weaker and we’re stuck with people like Jerome.

 

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25 minutes ago, captainmed said:

He’s not as good a Manager as Duff tactically.

We are not as good as Barnsley as a team.

Combine those two and the outcome was fairly inevitable.

Saying that it’s been a season of real progress & IE is still one of the better Managers in L1. However he still has one hell of a lot still to learn and it’s crucial that he accepts that. 

He speaks excellently but the actual execution and detail is often lacking. 

He has a big season ahead where a real promotion push has to be the focus and not just hovering around 5/6th and sneaking into the play-offs without ever looking like being promoted.

As a division it’s weaker next season and with investment I fancy us.

Its so frustrating that the January  additions actually made us weaker and we’re stuck with people like Jerome.

 

Agree with all this. Hes a clever bloke with a great team around him. We've just got to hope hes learning and adapting as he goes.

We arent miles away. The recruitment has be absolutely spot on this summer.

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5 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

He could have lumped the ball into the penalty box on every occasion in the last 20 mimures not sure why he put 2 big lads on and didn’t instruct the team to lump like Barnsley did for the whole 180 minutes. I’m not Evatt basher but he’s had a nightmare in the 2 games. 

Late stages on Friday reminded me of an Arsenal Champions League game a few years back when they needed to score to go through (v Ajax I think), was 0-0, game going into 4-5 mins injury time. Crowd going apeshit for them to load it in box and create a bit of pressure/panic. They just kept passing from side to side, out wide then back again, waiting for each other to take responsibility. Needless to say, they didn't score and went out with a whimper. 

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41 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

Late stages on Friday reminded me of an Arsenal Champions League game a few years back when they needed to score to go through (v Ajax I think), was 0-0, game going into 4-5 mins injury time. Crowd going apeshit for them to load it in box and create a bit of pressure/panic. They just kept passing from side to side, out wide then back again, waiting for each other to take responsibility. Needless to say, they didn't score and went out with a whimper. 

It’s like the band playing as the titanic sank. 

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The way of playing we persisted with right to the last whistle on Friday night over-rates the capabilities of most L1 defenders. They're happy to cope with half an hour of shuffling from side to side while the ball's being passed about in the distance. As soon as they have to face their own goal, rush a pass or clearance or deal with a few balls into the 'corridor of uncertainty' they fold up, make errors, concede pens or free kicks.

Lost count of the number of games this season where just 5-10 mins of that sort of action turned a game our way. Latter stages of this season (apart from Wembley) we did everything too slowly, too far away from dangerous areas and hardly ever got a runner to break their line. I could have managed 45 mins against us in a Barnsley shirt the other Saturday.

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36 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

I’d definitely preferred us to throw everything at them for the last 20mins, if we got beat 2/3 -0 then so be it 

Thing is 

That's exactly what we used to do 

Appreciate JDB is injured but we used to have a bench loaded with options to throw everything at it, then we would, and more often than not it seemed to work as we'd get a goal 

We lost that edge with the January ins and outs 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

The way of playing we persisted with right to the last whistle on Friday night over-rates the capabilities of most L1 defenders. They're happy to cope with half an hour of shuffling from side to side while the ball's being passed about in the distance. As soon as they have to face their own goal, rush a pass or clearance or deal with a few balls into the 'corridor of uncertainty' they fold up, make errors, concede pens or free kicks.

Lost count of the number of games this season where just 5-10 mins of that sort of action turned a game our way. Latter stages of this season (apart from Wembley) we did everything too slowly, too far away from dangerous areas and hardly ever got a runner to break their line. I could have managed 45 mins against us in a Barnsley shirt the other Saturday.

100% correct, we are the only team who never resorts to long ball in the last 10 minutes. At this level I’d be mixing it up between playing to feet and chucking in the occasional long ball, long throw and in the channels, and it is exactly what strikers at this level would expect. If we get the balance right we won’t be the worst goal scorers in the top 6 next season. 

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Front players may as well have been sitting with their backs leant against the goalposts shouting,  "Giz a shout when you're going to let us join in!"

 

The problem is, back in the SJM days,  if he wasn't getting any service he'd leave his position up top and get the ball himself turning provider for Walker. Perhaps a bit of swapping around like that would help our cause and would certainly give their defenders something to think about. 

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5 hours ago, Cheese said:

 

Great stuff, love that.  Well done to everyone that stayed behind instead of clearing off to beat the traffic.

How good would the support have sounded and looked if there'd been 5k of us?

Off topic but the EFL is doing itself a disservice by making the play offs less atmospheric with the away fans limited to 2k, more neutrals would watch on TV, drawn in by the atmosphere even if not too interested in the two teams.

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