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14 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Management takes many forms. In football and in every day life. I wonder if Fergie would have got a better result  on Sunday if he’d have been in charge. I doubt his managerial style would be acceptable today. 
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_/id/37460240/sir-alex-ferguson-hairdryer-treatment-have-used-man-utd

Sorry for the comparison. 

Herbert Chapman would've pissed it.

He'd have gone all WM on the fuckers.

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9 minutes ago, Cheese said:

You brought her up. 🤷‍♂️

Can you not just tell me as I can't be arsed watching a 25 minute video

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5 minutes ago, wakey said:

Herbert Chapman would've pissed it.

He'd have gone all WM on the fuckers.

We could go on all night about managerial styles. Alf would have gone all BT not BP. 👍

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10 minutes ago, Zico said:

Can you not just tell me as I can't be arsed watching a 25 minute video

Mother Theresa was a horrific witch who let thousands of kids in her "care" die, while she raked in the cash. That pretty much sums it up.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Burndens Bogs said:

2 Euro Finals and a World Cup semi final in the space of 3 years isn’t exactly in the wilderness.

Depends what you're aiming for.

We're supposed to have a great set of players.

Yet the performances were largely poor and we finished second again.

Southgate has a fine record if we're comparing him to other England managers.

A matter of opinion as to whether he's been successful. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Mother Theresa was a horrific witch who let thousands of kids in her "care" die, while she raked in the cash. That pretty much sums it up.

Some people on here are friends with Albanians and might find that rant offensive. I don’t think there is any evidence that she was an actual Witch. You ‘Lancastrians’ do have  a reputation of false accusations though. 

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17 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Mother Theresa was a horrific witch who let thousands of kids in her "care" die, while she raked in the cash. That pretty much sums it up.

Might watch the video now, sounds good

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After a lot of reflection. I keep thinking of two things.

Did Spain have better players than us?

If Southgate was their manager and Fuente was our manager, would the result have been different? 
 

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18 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

After a lot of reflection. I keep thinking of two things.

Did Spain have better players than us?

If Southgate was their manager and Fuente was our manager, would the result have been different? 
 

Not sure you can directly compare them but I would say the way that the Spanish system is set up means an internal appointment like de la Fuente suit them better. England are a few years off that.

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3 hours ago, Burndens Bogs said:

2 Euro Finals and a World Cup semi final in the space of 3 years isn’t exactly in the wilderness.

It makes the conversation easy though. Wways elite have made it clear that if our next manager doesn’t win the 2026 World Cup, they need to be sacked instantly. 

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49 minutes ago, Zico said:

Might watch the video now, sounds good

I think there’s a 3 part series on Sky or Netflix.

Proper eye opener.

Worth watching.

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27 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

It makes the conversation easy though. Wways elite have made it clear that if our next manager doesn’t win the 2026 World Cup, they need to be sacked instantly. 

Like Southgate was you mean?

Or are the non-elite not capable of making a reasoned comparison?

He's had his time (plenty of it actually), had a good record, but the football latterly was arguably worse than in his earlier tournaments, despite some truly top players.

Of course going deep into tournaments is better than not, but in the end folk soon forget who quarter and semi finalists were.

 

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18 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Like Southgate was you mean?

Or are the non-elite not capable of making a reasoned comparison?

He's had his time (plenty of it actually), had a good record, but the football latterly was arguably worse than in his earlier tournaments, despite some truly top players.

Of course going deep into tournaments is better than not, but in the end folk soon forget who quarter and semi finalists were.

 

It’s been acknowledged that our success is judged on winning a tournament, especially with the players we have. Nothing less than that is good enough. 2026 is our chance, so if the new manager doesn’t win that we need to find someone who will.

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3 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

After a lot of reflection. I keep thinking of two things.

Did Spain have better players than us?

If Southgate was their manager and Fuente was our manager, would the result have been different? 
 

No.

Possibly yes, based on Fuente making a coherent system for of a bunch of club players to play, which Southgate couldn't do.

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2 hours ago, jmjhb said:

Not sure you can directly compare them but I would say the way that the Spanish system is set up means an internal appointment like de la Fuente suit them better. England are a few years off that.

How is the Spanish system any different to ours? We've both got very successful leagues with a lot of foreign players, lots of investment, and a manager who's not a big name.

And what will happen in a few years that will make us more like the Spanish system?

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4 minutes ago, Stig said:

How is the Spanish system any different to ours? We've both got very successful leagues with a lot of foreign players, lots of investment, and a manager who's not a big name.

And what will happen in a few years that will make us more like the Spanish system?

We’ll eat more tapas.

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21 minutes ago, Stig said:

How is the Spanish system any different to ours? We've both got very successful leagues with a lot of foreign players, lots of investment, and a manager who's not a big name.

And what will happen in a few years that will make us more like the Spanish system?

You've kinda answered that in your above post. The coherent system meaning you're less reliant on individuals whereas we were trying to shoehorn all the best individuals in. Spain took Rodri off in the final and actually improved. They put mid-table players on and improved.

There kind of needs to be a pathway from the youth all the way up to the first team. There have been signs of that happening during Southgate's tenure but clearly we're not quite there yet and over the past couple of years he's lost his way. Whether Carsley is the person to bridge that, I don't know, but there are some good signs.

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4 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

After a lot of reflection. I keep thinking of two things.

Did Spain have better players than us?

If Southgate was their manager and Fuente was our manager, would the result have been different? 
 

It's an interesting question.

They had Yamal on the right and we had Saka ... not a massive difference there. But the big difference was they had Williams on the left and we had ... erm ... Bellingham.

Spain played their best players in their proper positions and didn't try to shoehorn their best players in, regardless of whether they can play in that position or not. We rolled back the clock to playing Scholes on the left and trying to fit both Lampard and Gerrard into the midfield.

Spain also had a striker who wasn't walking around like an old man.

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10 hours ago, Burndens Bogs said:

2 Euro Finals and a World Cup semi final in the space of 3 years isn’t exactly in the wilderness.

First loser material. Let's see how many are clamouring to employ this so called genius.

He'll end up with some quango at the FA. Director of Diversity and Inclusion or similar. They'll find something for him. Even then, would he have the resolve to go on the attack?

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7 hours ago, jmjhb said:

You've kinda answered that in your above post. The coherent system meaning you're less reliant on individuals whereas we were trying to shoehorn all the best individuals in. Spain took Rodri off in the final and actually improved. They put mid-table players on and improved.

There kind of needs to be a pathway from the youth all the way up to the first team. There have been signs of that happening during Southgate's tenure but clearly we're not quite there yet and over the past couple of years he's lost his way. Whether Carsley is the person to bridge that, I don't know, but there are some good signs.

Oh right, I thought you meant the wider football system in Spain. If you mean the system on the pitch, I'd argue de la Fuente was key in creating that, rather than their style of play suiting him. He abandoned Spain's possession model of the last 15 years, to go for a more direct approach with pacy wingers. He also made big decisions to drop bigger names for the younger lads on the wing and didn't play anyone out of position.

So, sub him in for Southgate, and I'd say our chances of winning would have been higher.

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1 hour ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

Apparently Declan Rice had the sum total of one completed forward pass in 90 minutes against Spain..... that's beyond shit. 

I know someone who could sort this

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