July 16, 20242 yr 12 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: He never did He stood up for his players when they were receiving racist abuse. All this shite about him being too focused on politics or too woke was pure nonsense. Perpetuated by people who really don’t have a clue. Ah right. Well I'll take my view from what I witnesed. Human rights, taking knee, lgbtq blah blah blah. A reasoned response to a few fuckwits on social media? Nah, a response to various American thought imports; not just from him. But, maybe I just dreamt it all- that's the only way I can I can conceive that I don't have a clue. Or maybe it's a typical response to anyone who expresses a view to the contrary- just issue insults and criticisms. "They're all thick, racist.. and on it goes". Self aggrandising snobbery.
July 16, 20242 yr Im not sure how a few soundbites could've affected his decision making or England's results. Which is the only thing Important isn't it.
July 16, 20242 yr 43 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Carsley's U21s pissed the Euros last year. Won every game, scored 11 conceded 0. Must be worth considering Thats how GS got it
July 16, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, little whitt said: Thats how GS got it Continuity ain’t a bad thing. The U21s seem more attack minded. Might be because there’s less at stake? I dunno
July 16, 20242 yr 2 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Continuity ain’t a bad thing. The U21s seem more attack minded. Might be because there’s less at stake? I dunno GS was attack minded when he kicked off. We were all over teams 2018. It was like a breath of fresh air. Not sure when it all changed
July 16, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Ah right. Well I'll take my view from what I witnesed. What exactly did you witness that was so perturbing?
July 16, 20242 yr 5 hours ago, Casino said: dinosaurs like @Dr. Feelgoodand @bolty58 don't like him cos he doesnt want to stop the boats they can spend the rest of the day telling me otherwise, but its clear as day Don't waste yer time fretting over it. I don't like his football because it's insipid, boring & starts from a position of fearfulness & worries about the opposition rather than have them worry about us. I dislike him because he imposed a political aspect to football and played on the basis that any other view was evil. It's not.
July 16, 20242 yr 4 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said: Don't waste yer time fretting over it. I don't like his football because it's insipid, boring & starts from a position of fearfulness & worries about the opposition rather than have them worry about us. I dislike him because he imposed a political aspect to football and played on the basis that any other view was evil. It's not. What "political aspect" has he "imposed on football"? Was Evatt "imposing a political aspect on football" when our players took the knee as an anti-racism gesture? Edited July 16, 20242 yr by Cheese
July 16, 20242 yr 14 minutes ago, Cheese said: What exactly did you witness that was so perturbing? He said what he witnessed but you have cut it off?
July 16, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, gonzo said: GS was attack minded when he kicked off. We were all over teams 2018. It was like a breath of fresh air. Not sure when it all changed He's never really been that way in tournaments. He's gone for it against sides he's known we're safe to have a do at (Panama in 2018 and Iran in 2022). Not been much else. Qualifiers and friendlies were a different kettle of fish.
July 16, 20242 yr 6 minutes ago, royal white said: He said what he witnessed but you have cut it off? Witnessed GS being a decent human being. Amazing how uncomfortable he made so many.
July 16, 20242 yr 1 hour ago, tomski said: I’d not rule Carsley out. He could be amazing. I’ve no idea
July 16, 20242 yr 5 minutes ago, DazBob said: Witnessed GS being a decent human being. Amazing how uncomfortable he made so many. Unfortunately that doesn’t win you trophies. Which is what he was paid to do
July 16, 20242 yr 28 minutes ago, royal white said: He said what he witnessed but you have cut it off? I'm sure he can answer for himself without your assistance, but I cut off the nonsensical bits because I'm interested in the specifics. How can "witnessing Human Rights and LGBT" make you dislike someone? What exactly did Southgate do or say that was wrong/offensive? The obvious answer is - "I'm just against Human Rights and LGBT stuff, and Southgate isn't", but maybe TMGJ has a more nuanced explanation. Edited July 16, 20242 yr by Cheese
July 16, 20242 yr Just now, Cheese said: I'm sure he can answer for himself, but I cut off the nonsensical bits because I'm interested in the specifics. How can witnessing "Human Rights and LGBT" make you dislike someone? What exactly did Southgate do ir say that was wrong? The obvious answer is - "I'm against Human Rights and LGBT stuff", but maybe TMGJ has a more nuanced reason. Well he told you what he witnessed then you go and ask him what he witnessed??? It’s there in black and white. It’s not normal but expected from the resident moon man
July 16, 20242 yr The FA have a very clear pathway on how they want to deliver future managers. If that’s the plan then absolutely fine. Carsley is clearly in there with a similar approach to Southgate in mind. however, that doesn’t mean the plan needs to come in to action straight away and pretty much disregard any other contenders. Getting the England job used to be about working your way through, earning your stripes and proving you have deserved it. Just being around St George’s park and taking jobs through the different age ranks isn’t kudos enough. for me, there are more attractive options than Carsley. He’s had 1 tournament so far with the U21’s (granted did very well) but let him have another couple of tournaments where he is, if he does well again and demonstrates the last one wasn’t a flash in the pan then that’s when he should be in the conversation. It’s too soon right here right now FWIW I think Carsley will be in in the short term on a temp basis to cover the nations league. FA will take their time and it may be a good chance to put himself in the shop window. However not quite sure what impact he would make in that short time Edited July 16, 20242 yr by barrycowdrill
July 16, 20242 yr 33 minutes ago, Cheese said: What "political aspect" has he "imposed on football"? Was Evatt "imposing a political aspect on football" when our players took the knee as an anti-racism gesture? To support BLM* fixed it for you
July 16, 20242 yr 17 minutes ago, royal white said: Unfortunately that doesn’t win you trophies. Which is what he was paid to do I've no issues with him being judged on that
July 16, 20242 yr 6 minutes ago, royal white said: To support BLM* fixed it for you There we have it. Pure ignorance.
July 16, 20242 yr 9 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said: The FA have a very clear pathway on how they want to deliver future managers. If that’s the plan then absolutely fine. Carsley is clearly in there with a similar approach to Southgate in mind. however, that doesn’t mean the plan needs to come in to action straight away and pretty much disregard any other contenders. Getting the England job used to be about working your way through, earning your stripes and proving you have deserved it. Just being around St George’s park and taking jobs through the different age ranks isn’t kudos enough. for me, there are more attractive options than Carsley. He’s had 1 tournament so far with the U21’s (granted did very well) but let him have another couple of tournaments where he is, if he does well again and demonstrates the last one wasn’t a flash in the pan then that’s when he should be in the conversation. It’s too soon right here right now I find it interesting he turned down the Ireland job. You wonder if something is in place or he just doesn’t want number 1. Also your theory as the next man may well be plausible.
July 16, 20242 yr Just now, Cheese said: There we have it. Pure ignorance. Sorry but you mentioned Evatt and our players, I just mentioned what the clubs official announcement was on the whole knee thing . “Our players took the knee to support the BLM movement”
July 16, 20242 yr 26 minutes ago, royal white said: Sorry but you mentioned Evatt and our players, I just mentioned what the clubs official announcement was on the whole knee thing . “Our players took the knee to support the BLM movement” As I said, pure ignorance. It started off as support for BLM, but pretty quickly changed to a purely Anti-Discrimination gesture. https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/19485479.bolton-wanderers-proud-players-taking-knee-minority-boo-gesture/
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