gonzo Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 2 minutes ago, Cheese said: Do you think it'd be any different if we'd played Spain off the park with expansive attacking football, but lost 3-0? I don't. If buts and maybes. We will never know. Only thing we do know is we just didn't have enough, yet again, to get us over the line when it was there for the taking. I'm honestly gutted for Southgate, it shouldn't have ended this way and our achievements on one hand are absolutely remarkable but on the other it should've been so much more. This I fear was our time. Good luck to the bloke, the press have far from hammered him, hope he cracks it wherever he goes next and its back to square one for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter desperado Posted July 16 Site Supporter Share Posted July 16 Hard act to follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 3 minutes ago, desperado said: Hard act to follow. A lot of luck will come into it. When you see the teams we have beaten you would think any half decent manager would be able to achieve those victories. He had a lot of luck in getting us to the 2 x finals (the route/draw) and that’s football, but his record against top 10 teams is poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gonzo Posted July 16 Popular Post Share Posted July 16 See this luck of the draw thing. We breeze through every qualifying group top of the shop by miles and score loads of goals. We are always top seeds and win the group we get put in. We will always have decent fixtures we keep doing that. That's the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 So we need a big game manager Croatia, France, Italy & Spain between WC & euros yes we will always get bum groups in the qualifiers and even Evatt could get us through them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted July 16 Moderators Share Posted July 16 13 minutes ago, royal white said: his record against top 10 teams is poor. to have a view on this post id need to see other teams records against the best im guessing most teams dont have a great record v the top 10 i can actually see why some younger posters have a bit ofa downer on him as theyve been relatively spoiled over the last few years but older folk should see these as good times - just sticking to WC, first one i saw us qualify for was 82 after failures in 74 and 78 didnt we then fuck up in 94? since then we have qualified, but nobody has a better result than southgate dinosaurs like @Dr. Feelgoodand @bolty58 don't like him cos he doesnt want to stop the boats they can spend the rest of the day telling me otherwise, but its clear as day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 5 minutes ago, gonzo said: See this luck of the draw thing. We breeze through every qualifying group top of the shop by miles and score loads of goals. We are always top seeds and win the group we get put in. We will always have decent fixtures we keep doing that. That's the idea. Most top teams do. It’s when we play top 10 teams we are dog shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonk Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Damn statistics: FA CEO Mark Bullingham continued his statement by expressing his gratitude for Gareth Southgate and Steve Holland. He said: "Before Gareth, our longest time ranked in the top five in the world was seven months. In his tenure we have been ranked there for six years. "In the 25 tournaments post 1966 before Gareth took charge, we had won seven knockout games. In his four tournaments we have won nine. So, in his eight years, he has won more games that really matter than in the previous 50 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 16 Site Supporter Share Posted July 16 30 minutes ago, gonzo said: Sums up our losers mentality. Exactly why constantly accept being 2nd best. Yep. Obviously, no one has an automatic right to win a competition, but if you go into it being happy to have done ok, you'll be happy with having done ok. Daft comment asking if we'd feel differently if we'd won 3-0, because of course we would. That would have involved a far better level of performance and would have been deserved. But it's irrelevant; fact says we lost again to a decent side when it matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 16 Site Supporter Share Posted July 16 3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Yep. Obviously, no one has an automatic right to win a competition, but if you go into it being happy to have done ok, you'll be happy with having done ok. Daft comment asking if we'd feel differently if we'd won 3-0, because of course we would. That would have involved a far better level of performance and would have been deserved. But it's irrelevant; fact says we lost again to a decent side when it matters. Re-read the "daft comment". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 16 minutes ago, Casino said: to have a view on this post id need to see other teams records against the best im guessing most teams dont have a great record v the top 10 i can actually see why some younger posters have a bit ofa downer on him as theyve been relatively spoiled over the last few years but older folk should see these as good times - just sticking to WC, first one i saw us qualify for was 82 after failures in 74 and 78 didnt we then fuck up in 94? since then we have qualified, but nobody has a better result than southgate dinosaurs like @Dr. Feelgoodand @bolty58 don't like him cos he doesnt want to stop the boats they can spend the rest of the day telling me otherwise, but its clear as day I’d guess most of those top 10 teams changed their manager when failing against other top 10 teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 16 Site Supporter Share Posted July 16 8 minutes ago, Cheese said: Re-read the "daft comment". No need. One of those fucking moron jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 16 Site Supporter Share Posted July 16 16 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: No need. One of those fucking moron jobs. Don't be so hard on yourself. It's an easy mistake to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted July 16 Moderators Share Posted July 16 8 hours ago, Casino said: to have a view on this post id need to see other teams records against the best im guessing most teams dont have a great record v the top 10 i can actually see why some younger posters have a bit ofa downer on him as theyve been relatively spoiled over the last few years but older folk should see these as good times - just sticking to WC, first one i saw us qualify for was 82 after failures in 74 and 78 didnt we then fuck up in 94? since then we have qualified, but nobody has a better result than southgate dinosaurs like @Dr. Feelgoodand @bolty58 don't like him cos he doesnt want to stop the boats they can spend the rest of the day telling me otherwise, but its clear as day I wouldn't see them as good times more just better than what I'm used to in terms of progression but ultimately spoiled by the same manager who got us there in the first place I collectively enjoyed about 30 minutes of this last tournament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 16 Members Share Posted July 16 1 hour ago, Casino said: Visionaries like @Dr. Feelgoodand @bolty58 don't like him cos he doesnt want to stop the boats No. You are mixing Southgate up with yourself there. Ignoring his woke bullshit (when he should have been concentrating on all things football) it was the 2020 final which told me all I needed to know about him. Criminal his tactics in that game. Everything since has been a reflection of precisely the same thing. Overly cautious/wracked by fear to a boring degree. You, like a few others on here (coincidentally aligned with you politically it seems), appear to be satisfied being first loser. You'll probably be getting another FA puppet to replace him so dust off the kneepads and the armband. You'll have plenty of opportunity to virtue signal some more I suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 16 Members Share Posted July 16 1 hour ago, Gonk said: Damn statistics: FA CEO Mark Bullingham continued his statement by expressing his gratitude for Gareth Southgate and Steve Holland. He said: "Before Gareth, our longest time ranked in the top five in the world was seven months. In his tenure we have been ranked there for six years. "In the 25 tournaments post 1966 before Gareth took charge, we had won seven knockout games. In his four tournaments we have won nine. So, in his eight years, he has won more games that really matter than in the previous 50 years. Show us the trophy cabinet then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 16 Members Share Posted July 16 1 hour ago, Gonk said: Damn statistics: FA CEO Mark Bullingham continued his statement by expressing his gratitude for Gareth Southgate and Steve Holland. He said: "Before Gareth, our longest time ranked in the top five in the world was seven months. In his tenure we have been ranked there for six years. "In the 25 tournaments post 1966 before Gareth took charge, we had won seven knockout games. In his four tournaments we have won nine. So, in his eight years, he has won more games that really matter than in the previous 50 years. Utter twat this bloke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 16 Site Supporter Share Posted July 16 Don't care what his or players' or staff's politics, social views etc are. Simply don't want to hear about any of it. Play the sodding game and bring folk together on that- just like clubs and nations have done historically. Don't divide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post barrycowdrill Posted July 16 Popular Post Share Posted July 16 You can appreciate Gareth Southgate's qualities without ignoring his shortcomings. He created a positive environment with England but he's no tactician. This was proven on a number of occasions. He was successful in comparison to what we have seen before. But he was also lucky. The players coming through and the routes we had in a couple of tournaments to give him that “success” all in all, perfect time for him to go. Grass isn’t always greener but I’m happy for us to take that chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 I’ve backed him the majority of the time, but now realising he’s played an injured player throughout the tournament and in the final then he can get fucked. Good riddance to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 16 Site Supporter Share Posted July 16 18 minutes ago, royal white said: I’ve backed him the majority of the time, but now realising he’s played an injured player throughout the tournament and in the final then he can get fucked. Good riddance to him Reading about that yesterday was the final straw; bizarre management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 3 hours ago, Gonk said: Damn statistics: FA CEO Mark Bullingham continued his statement by expressing his gratitude for Gareth Southgate and Steve Holland. He said: "Before Gareth, our longest time ranked in the top five in the world was seven months. In his tenure we have been ranked there for six years. "In the 25 tournaments post 1966 before Gareth took charge, we had won seven knockout games. In his four tournaments we have won nine. So, in his eight years, he has won more games that really matter than in the previous 50 years. He deserves a lot of respect for what he’s done. All the best to him. Though it feels the right time for him to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post London Wanderer Posted July 16 Popular Post Share Posted July 16 2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Don't divide. He never did He stood up for his players when they were receiving racist abuse. All this shite about him being too focused on politics or too woke was pure nonsense. Perpetuated by people who really don’t have a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Carsley's U21s pissed the Euros last year. Won every game, scored 11 conceded 0. Must be worth considering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 2 hours ago, bolty58 said: it was the 2020 final which told me all I needed to know about him. Criminal his tactics in that game. Everything since has been a reflection of precisely the same thing. Overly cautious/wracked by fear to a boring degree. A perfectly reasonable opinion & to an extent I agree with it. The rest is tinfoil hat nonsense. Can’t believe folk are really thick enough to believe he’s a political puppet. Couldn’t make it up🙈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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