No Henderson in the provisional squad 

Hard act to follow.

3 minutes ago, desperado said:

Hard act to follow.

A lot of luck will come into it. When you see the teams we have beaten you would think any half decent manager would be able to achieve those victories. He had a lot of luck in getting us to the 2 x finals (the route/draw) and that’s football, but his record against top 10 teams is poor. 

See this luck of the draw thing. We breeze through every qualifying group top of the shop by miles and score loads of goals.

We are always top seeds and win the group we get put in. We will always have decent fixtures we keep doing that.

That's the idea.

So we need a big game manager

Croatia, France, Italy & Spain between WC & euros

yes we will always get bum groups in the qualifiers and even Evatt could get us through them 

13 minutes ago, royal white said:

 his record against top 10 teams is poor. 

to have a view on this post id need to see other teams records against the best

im guessing most teams dont have a great record v the top 10

i can actually see why some younger posters have a bit ofa downer on him as theyve been relatively spoiled over the last few years but older folk should see these as good times - just sticking to WC, first one i saw us qualify for was 82 after failures in 74 and 78

didnt we then fuck up in 94?

since then we have qualified, but nobody has a better result than southgate

dinosaurs like @Dr. Feelgoodand @bolty58 don't like him cos he doesnt want to stop the boats

they can spend the rest of the day telling me otherwise, but its clear as day

5 minutes ago, gonzo said:

See this luck of the draw thing. We breeze through every qualifying group top of the shop by miles and score loads of goals.

We are always top seeds and win the group we get put in. We will always have decent fixtures we keep doing that.

That's the idea.

Most top teams do. It’s when we play top 10 teams we are dog shit. 

Damn statistics:

FA CEO Mark Bullingham continued his statement by expressing his gratitude for Gareth Southgate and Steve Holland.

He said: "Before Gareth, our longest time ranked in the top five in the world was seven months. In his tenure we have been ranked there for six years.

"In the 25 tournaments post 1966 before Gareth took charge, we had won seven knockout games. In his four tournaments we have won nine. So, in his eight years, he has won more games that really matter than in the previous 50 years.

 

30 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Sums up our losers mentality. Exactly why constantly accept being 2nd best.

 

Yep.

Obviously, no one has an automatic right to win a competition, but if you go into it being happy to have done ok, you'll be happy with having done ok.

Daft comment asking if we'd feel differently if we'd won 3-0, because of course we would.

That would have involved a far better level of performance and would have been deserved.

But it's irrelevant; fact says we lost again to a decent side when it matters.

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Yep.

Obviously, no one has an automatic right to win a competition, but if you go into it being happy to have done ok, you'll be happy with having done ok.

Daft comment asking if we'd feel differently if we'd won 3-0, because of course we would.

That would have involved a far better level of performance and would have been deserved.

But it's irrelevant; fact says we lost again to a decent side when it matters.

Re-read the "daft comment".

16 minutes ago, Casino said:

to have a view on this post id need to see other teams records against the best

im guessing most teams dont have a great record v the top 10

i can actually see why some younger posters have a bit ofa downer on him as theyve been relatively spoiled over the last few years but older folk should see these as good times - just sticking to WC, first one i saw us qualify for was 82 after failures in 74 and 78

didnt we then fuck up in 94?

since then we have qualified, but nobody has a better result than southgate

dinosaurs like @Dr. Feelgoodand @bolty58 don't like him cos he doesnt want to stop the boats

they can spend the rest of the day telling me otherwise, but its clear as day

I’d guess most of those top 10 teams changed their manager when failing against other top 10 teams 

8 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Re-read the "daft comment".

No need. 

One of those fucking moron jobs.

16 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

No need. 

One of those fucking moron jobs.

Don't be so hard on yourself. It's an easy mistake to make.

8 hours ago, Casino said:

to have a view on this post id need to see other teams records against the best

im guessing most teams dont have a great record v the top 10

i can actually see why some younger posters have a bit ofa downer on him as theyve been relatively spoiled over the last few years but older folk should see these as good times - just sticking to WC, first one i saw us qualify for was 82 after failures in 74 and 78

didnt we then fuck up in 94?

since then we have qualified, but nobody has a better result than southgate

dinosaurs like @Dr. Feelgoodand @bolty58 don't like him cos he doesnt want to stop the boats

they can spend the rest of the day telling me otherwise, but its clear as day

I wouldn't see them as good times more just better than what I'm used to in terms of progression but ultimately spoiled by the same manager who got us there in the first place 

I collectively enjoyed about 30 minutes of this last tournament

1 hour ago, Casino said:

 

Visionaries like @Dr. Feelgoodand @bolty58 don't like him cos he doesnt want to stop the boats

 

No. You are mixing Southgate up with yourself there.

Ignoring his woke bullshit (when he should have been concentrating on all things football) it was the 2020 final which told me all I needed to know about him. Criminal his tactics in that game. Everything since has been a reflection of precisely the same thing. Overly cautious/wracked by fear to a boring degree.

You, like a few others on here (coincidentally aligned with you politically it seems), appear to be satisfied being first loser. You'll probably be getting another FA puppet to replace him so dust off the kneepads and the armband. You'll have plenty of opportunity to virtue signal some more I suspect.

 

1 hour ago, Gonk said:

Damn statistics:

FA CEO Mark Bullingham continued his statement by expressing his gratitude for Gareth Southgate and Steve Holland.

He said: "Before Gareth, our longest time ranked in the top five in the world was seven months. In his tenure we have been ranked there for six years.

"In the 25 tournaments post 1966 before Gareth took charge, we had won seven knockout games. In his four tournaments we have won nine. So, in his eight years, he has won more games that really matter than in the previous 50 years.

 

Show us the trophy cabinet then!

1 hour ago, Gonk said:

Damn statistics:

FA CEO Mark Bullingham continued his statement by expressing his gratitude for Gareth Southgate and Steve Holland.

He said: "Before Gareth, our longest time ranked in the top five in the world was seven months. In his tenure we have been ranked there for six years.

"In the 25 tournaments post 1966 before Gareth took charge, we had won seven knockout games. In his four tournaments we have won nine. So, in his eight years, he has won more games that really matter than in the previous 50 years.

 

Utter twat this bloke.

Don't care what his or players' or staff's politics, social views etc are.

Simply don't want to hear about any of it.

Play the sodding game and bring folk together on that- just like clubs and nations have done historically. Don't divide.

You can appreciate Gareth Southgate's qualities without ignoring his shortcomings. 

He created a positive environment with England but he's no tactician. This was proven on a number of occasions.
 

He was successful in comparison to what we have seen before. But he was also lucky. The players coming through and the routes we had in a couple of tournaments to give him that “success”

all in all, perfect time for him to go. Grass isn’t always greener but I’m happy for us to take that chance 

I’ve backed him the majority of the time, but now realising he’s played an injured player throughout the tournament and in the final then he can get fucked. Good riddance to him  

18 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’ve backed him the majority of the time, but now realising he’s played an injured player throughout the tournament and in the final then he can get fucked. Good riddance to him  

Reading about that yesterday was the final straw; bizarre management.

3 hours ago, Gonk said:

Damn statistics:

FA CEO Mark Bullingham continued his statement by expressing his gratitude for Gareth Southgate and Steve Holland.

He said: "Before Gareth, our longest time ranked in the top five in the world was seven months. In his tenure we have been ranked there for six years.

"In the 25 tournaments post 1966 before Gareth took charge, we had won seven knockout games. In his four tournaments we have won nine. So, in his eight years, he has won more games that really matter than in the previous 50 years.

 

He deserves a lot of respect for what he’s done. All the best to him. Though it feels the right time for him to leave.

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Don't divide.

He never did

 He stood up for his players when they were receiving racist abuse.

All this shite about him being too focused on politics or too woke was pure nonsense. Perpetuated by people who really don’t have a clue. 

Carsley's U21s pissed the Euros last year.

Won every game, scored 11 conceded 0.

Must be worth considering

2 hours ago, bolty58 said:

it was the 2020 final which told me all I needed to know about him. Criminal his tactics in that game. Everything since has been a reflection of precisely the same thing. Overly cautious/wracked by fear to a boring degree.

 

 

A perfectly reasonable opinion & to an extent I agree with it.

 The rest is tinfoil hat nonsense. 
 

Can’t believe folk are really thick enough to believe he’s a political puppet.

 Couldn’t make it up🙈

12 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

He never did

 He stood up for his players when they were receiving racist abuse.

All this shite about him being too focused on politics or too woke was pure nonsense. Perpetuated by people who really don’t have a clue. 

Ah right. 

Well I'll take my view from what I witnesed.

Human rights, taking knee, lgbtq blah blah blah.

A reasoned response to a few fuckwits on social media? Nah, a response to various American thought imports; not just from him. 

But, maybe I just dreamt it all- that's the only way I can I can conceive that I don't have a clue.

Or maybe it's a typical response to anyone who expresses a view to the contrary- just issue insults and criticisms. "They're all thick, racist.. and on it goes". Self aggrandising snobbery.