Next Manager

[Zog1]

Evatt's problems were that he was a sub standard manager relying on superior tactics from better managers in leagues higher, which he failed to adapt properly.

He lacked tactical adaptability, flexibility and seemed to lack the ability to make tactical decisions on the fly. Fixing things that aren't working mid game is a crucial part of football/any management. I put this down to either ego or an inability to read the game dynamically.

A real manager would have had us smashing poor teams in 23rd with 532 tippy tappy (like we did last year for the most part), and also had us getting points reliably against top 6 teams, by changing his tactics, playing it safer in defence etc, it could have been done as you saw yesterday.

There was never a mentality issue, hangover from Oxford, or scoreboard anxiety, it was all just nonsense.

[Johnnyrotten]

2 hours ago, desperado said:

I don’t think he was.

It seems pretty genuine to me, that we’ve actively pursued recruitment once Evatt has gone.

He’s seemingly been considered this week to be the best out there for BWFC.

Hence there being an interim management in place, hence there being some variable movements in the markets, hence there being a delay of one or two games before this is sorted etc etc 

Fair comments, I'm happy to believe they only started the search on Wednesday. 

But from the day he got sacked by Stoke he seemed to be the logical choice (not withstanding their knowledge of other potential managers that I might not know about).  Since that day and before the end of December we've had Huddersfield 0-4, Stockport 5-0, Wigan 0-2, Barnsley 1-2 amongst other poor performances not to mention questionable behaviour.  I just don't know what they were waiting for and every chance Schumacher wouldn't have been available by now, added to the waste of most of the Jan window and several points thrown away against poor teams.

My last word on the subject 😀  Onwards and upwards!

[L/H White]

Done deal.

 

 

[Johnnyrotten]

2 hours ago, Horwich said:

Should we not be going for Lowe over Schumacher?

If Schumacher is 6/10 Scouse, Lowe is 7.5 or 8.  Hard to make a case for Lowe.

[Johnnyrotten]

59 minutes ago, green genie said:

Schumaker’s team did play across the back to keep possession but also played into the channels for runners.

Ultimately it worked in L1 to tune of 101points.

If your new manager doesn't fancy Ryan Hardie much feel free to let him reunite with SS in the summer.

[Duck Egg]

1 hour ago, Dimron said:

None of the names so far are enthusing me... the two being talked about are too young and inexperienced in my book (just like IE), you need a "big man" to manage our club and neither of these two have really earned their spurs in management yet, probably good coaches with heads full of tactical bollocks but not yet a "manager".. that comes with maturity.

From the list someone posted yesterday Wagner was the one who caught my eye at 20/1. Dyche could do the job as well

101 points in the division we're in and finished ahead of Ipswich and Sheffield Wednesday. That's damned impressive, however old he is.

Wagner did well initially at Huddersfield but they were deadly dull iirc. 

[Lostock Whites]

Just now, Duck Egg said:

101 points in the division we're in and finished ahead of Ipswich and Sheffield Wednesday. That's damned impressive, however old he is.

Wagner did well initially at Huddersfield but they were deadly dull iirc. 

And I would seriously doubt except possibly Birmingham, Schumacher and the other favourites listed would be interested in managing a League 1 team.

We are a big catch for sure and yesterday was a big sign hopefully to the manager of the potential of this club.

[Johnnyrotten]

51 minutes ago, Matt Lofthouse said:

Nob end mates reckon he was terrible for them. 

My PNE mate says the same, says he would have gone earlier if it was down to his popularity.  And you'd think that is a sign he wasn't very good. 

But every time I looked at the league table they were in the top half of the championship on gates of about 12k.  Finished 13th, 12th and 10th in his 3 seasons.  Dreamland for bigger clubs than them.

And last season, OK before Christmas but still a great achievement, he had them in the top 6 for ages, even higher sometimes.  I could never work out why they didn't appreciate him, or what their expectations were, because their ambitions seem to be to get into the top half now instead of aiming for a play off push.

[green genie]

59 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Is he adaptable mate?

 

He is an advocate of possession football but the counter attacking is done at pace and can be with longer balls behind the defence.

[green genie]

20 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

If your new manager doesn't fancy Ryan Hardie much feel free to let him reunite with SS in the summer.

Contracted to 2026 and rumours are Wrexham talking over a million.

He could become available if Muslic goes for a proper target man.

[DazBob]

2 hours ago, Horwich said:

Should we not be going for Lowe over Schumacher?

Should we?

Why do you think that?

[Johnnyrotten]

3 minutes ago, green genie said:

Contracted to 2026 and rumours are Wrexham talking over a million.

He could become available if Muslic goes for a proper target man.

Good info.  We spend that on players we don't need for a manager that isn't staying, so god knows what we'd pay for a player we do need for a long term manager 😀

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

2 hours ago, barrycowdrill said:

But therein lies the problem and ultimately why he’s now on the dole. 
 

a manager could be a genius with the ideas in his mind and up on the tactics board and his “philosophy” could easily be delivered with players higher up the chain who can execute better, with more consistency which reaps better rewards. 
 

but also a “top” manager also recognises, regardless of his ideology, what he has at his disposal, whether they’re capable of delivering what he wants and if they’re not adopt a different way that gets the best out of his squad. 
 

I hope he does do well in the future but he definitely needs to learn from this experience. Whether his ego allows him to acknowledge where he went wrong, who knows… 

He'd also need to improve his ability to react to the tactical changes of the opposition during a match

Too often, his reaction was either too slow or simply didn't happen

[barrycowdrill]

5 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

He'd also need to improve his ability to react to the tactical changes of the opposition during a match

Too often, his reaction was either too slow or simply didn't happen

Granted. But even if he became a little bit more proactive he’s that wedded to his system that it’s just like for like, fresher legs, doing the same job. 
 

he’s like Apple when they update from IOS 16 to 16.1 no fucker has a clue what the difference is

[noxid]

Its only a possibility but I think that before the Wycombe game there could have been hints or delicate overtures to SS about his feelings about taking the job but after that surprising result Evatt was given a reprieve and we've been in a holding pattern waiting for another run of bad results to bring the matter to a head. That would explain why Schumacher wasn't approached or persued by all the other teams who've recently brought in a new manager.

It's only a guess but hopefully he joins tomorrow and we move forward with a potentially good new manager 

[1969]

7 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

He'd also need to improve his ability to react to the tactical changes of the opposition during a match

Too often, his reaction was either too slow or simply didn't happen

The "simply didn't happen"part is bang on the money 

[JOGLER]

I wouldn't be at all bothered if Schumacher becomes our next manager - but there's no way I'd be happy with Verstappen 🏎️

[jmjhb]

6 minutes ago, JOGLER said:

I wouldn't be at all bothered if Schumacher becomes our next manager - but there's no way I'd be happy with Verstappen 🏎️

We already tried Hill

I wouldn't want McLaren either 

Edited January 26, 2025 by jmjhb

[Dimron]

54 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

101 points in the division we're in and finished ahead of Ipswich and Sheffield Wednesday. That's damned impressive, however old he is.

Wagner did well initially at Huddersfield but they were deadly dull iirc. 

Just feeling the fear after yesterday's elation I suppose.

We are officially manageress at the business end of the season.

Just hope we don't rush into frying pan and fire situation.

Anything like previous and and a totally unpredicted name will come in 🙂

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Cherie Lunghi?

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

24 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said:

Granted. But even if he became a little bit more proactive he’s that wedded to his system that it’s just like for like, fresher legs, doing the same job. 
 

he’s like Apple when they update from IOS 16 to 16.1 no fucker has a clue what the difference is

He is, but that's what I mean

Replacing wing-backs with wing-backs and the two up top with the other two up top come what may is an example of not reacting to a tactical shift

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

9 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Just feeling the fear after yesterday's elation I suppose.

We are officially manageress at the business end of the season.

Just hope we don't rush into frying pan and fire situation.

Anything like previous and and a totally unpredicted name will come in 🙂

January isn't the business end of the season

[Dimron]

7 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

January isn't the business end of the season

Accepted but business closes next week

[Dimron]

18 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Cherie Lunghi?

Who knows... should be able to make a decent brew 😁

Who expected Rioch or Allardyce? I was at Meadow Lane watching County with a pal the week before!

I would like a "dynasty" manager next and I don't mean Cliff Barnes!

[Dr. Feelgood]

35 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Cherie Lunghi?

Physio.