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2 hours ago, masi 51 said:

Anyone who thinks we have not moved on from last season is deluded

GK......Better now

Defence Significantly Better

Midfield   Chalk and Cheese

Forwards    Jury out   Wingers are Quality   Both number 9s unproven

 

 

Surely the jury is out everywhere? I have absolutely no idea how you can speak with such cast iron certainty.

We finished 8th last year and about a million points off the playoffs, so we probably would have to go some to be worse than that. Are we better than the side that finished third and lost to Oxford? Who the fuck knows. Would be deluded to think the answer is definitively yes based on playing well for 40mins against Stockport and losing 2-0.

1 minute ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Surely the jury is out everywhere? I have absolutely no idea how you can speak with such cast iron certainty.

We finished 8th last year and about a million points off the playoffs, so we probably would have to go some to be worse than that. Are we better than the side that finished third and lost to Oxford? Who the fuck knows. Would be deluded to think the answer is definitively yes based on playing well for 40mins against Stockport and losing 2-0.

Seen enough in the pre-season and again Sunday that we are miles better than last season.....We need a 9 fit and firing nothing more

 

28 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Surely the jury is out everywhere? I have absolutely no idea how you can speak with such cast iron certainty.

We finished 8th last year and about a million points off the playoffs, so we probably would have to go some to be worse than that. Are we better than the side that finished third and lost to Oxford? Who the fuck knows. Would be deluded to think the answer is definitively yes based on playing well for 40mins against Stockport and losing 2-0.

Why if the discussion is this year v last year do you bring season before that into the arguement ? 
 

We were fucked last year, the run of games leading to Evatt being sacked were as depressing as anytime I can remember a bunch of spineless disinterested players in a system that did not work.

Whatever people thought of yesterday, you could see the system and how we have bought in players that can play in that system. Last year we went there and surrendered 61% possession and 0 shots on goal ( if you look at the stats somehow 5 shots are recorded and 0 on target and 0 off target ! https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/ce89z98wyget#MatchStats ) 

In the ground because of the totally shit view I did not realise how many decent chances we had created and even in the second half we had the better chances and hit the bar.

Is everything perfect ? No. 
Is there potential to improve ? Definitely ,  we need a better solution in both the 9 and 10 slots. 
Was there any reason to think things were going to improve last year ? Not whilst Evatt was here and clearly there was a need to move deadwood on. SS has started that but am sure if a couple more left such as Schon, McAtee and even Sheehan he would not bed too disappointed. 
 

Let’s be honest 8th last year flattered us the bump after Evatt left covered over a lot of cracks. 
 

Edited August 4, 2025Aug 4 by Ani

49 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

Derby fans might disagree with that 

Every Derby match is derby match!

40 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

Derby fans might disagree with that 

That's also an East Midlands Derby.

Or central Midlands one!

Always listen to the BBC commentator for that area-Pat Murphy, who often refers to east Midlands derbies.

2 minutes ago, Ani said:

Why if the discussion is this year v last year do you bring season before that into the arguement ? 
 

We were fucked last year, the run of games leading to Evatt being sacked were as depressing as anytime I can remember a bunch of spineless disinterested players in a system that did not work.

Whatever people thought of yesterday, you could see the system and how we have bought in players that can play in that system. Last year we went there and surrendered 61% possession and 0 shots on goal ( if you look at the stats somehow 5 shots are recorded and 0 on target and 0 off target ! https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/ce89z98wyget#MatchStats ) 

In the ground because of the totally shit view I did not realise how many decent chances we had created and even in the second half we had the better chances and hit the bar.

Is everything perfect ? No. 
Is there potential to improve ? Definitely ,  we need a better solution in both the 9 and 10 slots. 
Was there any reason to think things were going to improve last year ? Not whilst Evatt was here and clearly there was a need to move deadwood on. SS has started that but am sure if a couple more left such as Schon, McAtee and even Sheehan he would not bed too disappointed. 
 

Let’s be honest 8th last year flattered us the bump after Evatt left covered over a lot of cracks. 

 

To answer the first question - the goal is to get promoted, not finish 7th. So being better than the 23/24 side is more relevant than being better than last seasons side.

But either way, anyone who feels confident enough to make definitive statements about us at this point is kidding themselves. A look at last season's Orient (a) thread and it's full of talk about how much more physical we are and set up to grind out wins led by Scott Arfield. It's all shite talk and projections based off traits & qualities people have assigned our players in lieu of them having played any matches.

Whether we'll be better than last seasons team, or good enough to get promoted I don't know. What I do know is we've played a game against a local & promotion rival and the result is depressingly familiar. When that changes, I'll be ready to declare this team better than the ones that have come before it. 

1 hour ago, Kane57 said:

Since when is Stockport a derby

it would've been first up on granada goals

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Since when wouldn't it be?

if you still think Bolton is in Lancashire and Stockport is in Cheshire

1 hour ago, Tombwfc said:

 

I agree in terms of that being my reading of it. However, most match threads were generally positive about how it was the ref, the opposition keeper, blind luck, 'on another day we score four' type stuff. 'There or thereabouts' despite being 7th and never winning any game of consequence. It's rewriting history to say everyone could see we were shit all along.

I'm not sure I agree with that, other than those that chose to ignore the bleedin obvious.  I would say most (not all) on here could see that we were shit all along, right from the first home defeats v Exeter and Huddersfield (0-6 aggregate) to the pathetic defeats in March and April.  Yes a bit of an upturn and a few decent wins under SS (and Jules), but we were poor overall.  Being there or thereabouts was more than we deserved, as mentioned with the unusual number of sendings off against us and injury time winners.  I thought most fans realised this most of the season, with a few exceptions.

24 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

To answer the first question - the goal is to get promoted, not finish 7th. So being better than the 23/24 side is more relevant than being better than last seasons side.

But either way, anyone who feels confident enough to make definitive statements about us at this point is kidding themselves. A look at last season's Orient (a) thread and it's full of talk about how much more physical we are and set up to grind out wins led by Scott Arfield. It's all shite talk and projections based off traits & qualities people have assigned our players in lieu of them having played any matches.

Whether we'll be better than last seasons team, or good enough to get promoted I don't know. What I do know is we've played a game against a local & promotion rival and the result is depressingly familiar. When that changes, I'll be ready to declare this team better than the ones that have come before it. 

You were replying to @masi 51 assertion that we have moved on from last year. 
 

If you want that debate to be is this team good enough for promotion maybe say that in the first place. I think everyone would agree the answer to that is fuck knows. 

Edited August 4, 2025Aug 4 by Ani

10 minutes ago, Zico said:

if you still think Bolton is in Lancashire and Stockport is in Cheshire

?

Distance, not county!

Manc-Merseyside, Tyne-Wear, Midlands, etc.

14 minutes ago, Zico said:

it would've been first up on granada goals

I think if we play team that would have been covered by Granada that is good enough to be classed as a North West Derby. 

1 minute ago, Ani said:

I think if we play team that would have been covered by Granada that is good enough to be classed as a North West Derby. 

Port Vale and Stoke maybe the exception on this for me

We’re 3 points off the top spot, with 45 games to play. Saw plenty to encourage me that when we get some strikers fit we’ll be in the mix.

1 minute ago, tomski said:

Port Vale and Stoke maybe the exception on this for me

Was a bit strange why two Staffordshire teams would be included.

2 hours ago, masi 51 said:

Well it is about opinions.....Start with las years defence, quite willing to take a reply on board

RWB,,,,Schon/Jones both not good, Jones coming back from his injury was never the same player....Central defence Firino  injured first game back after Christmas Forester injured not considered Johnson back after 12 months out finding his feet....Santos injured and not the player of the previous season.....Lets get to the left Tutu injured in a micky mouse efl game at Barrow.....Murphy a loan that did not work out.....Young player not going to slaughter him

 

This season, Cogley steady Eddie, was ok last season will be the same this....Toal ok needs to get over injuries

Forrester likewise, Johnson 12 months since returning from a bad injury steady and further forward than this time last season.. Firino  injured 6 months of last season grown since returning.......Taylor a diamond at this leval highly thought of in Scotland, Conway just keeps getting better will leave us for decent money ...Inwood Getting Stubbs, Holding  about him, think he can get into the premier league if avoiding injuries and another we can get decent money for

over to you

To each their own, but I'd not consider essentially the same players but fitter to be significantly better

Conway is promising, which is good, and I'd hope Taylor improves us but the reality is none of us have seen enough of him and we can't know until he actually plays

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

?

Distance, not county!

Manc-Merseyside, Tyne-Wear, Midlands, etc.

I'm just guessing as to why someone might not think it's a derby

It's up for debate

It's a north west derby

It's just not a fierce rivalry like many other derbys are

Though there's only Wigan for me in the north west that feels like a rivalry 

And even then half this board would disagree with me on that

I think the answer is there are different levels of derby with a sliding scale of distance and hatred between the clubs

Bolton is closer to Stoke and Huddersfield than Ipswich is to Norwich 

It is a derby of style

Stinkport... win at all cost never mind the footie

Bolton... win in a gentlemanly manner by playing to the association rules

 

7 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

We’re 3 points off the top spot, with 45 games to play. Saw plenty to encourage me that when we get some strikers fit we’ll be in the mix.

Still ours to lose. In our own hands

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

That's also an East Midlands Derby.

Or central Midlands one!

Always listen to the BBC commentator for that area-Pat Murphy, who often refers to east Midlands derbies.

Derby and Forest hate one another 

Leicester are on the outside looking in 

Sure it will kick off for those folk that way inclined between any of those three teams 

When Derby and Forest ignore Leicester then their main hatred turns to Coventry 

 

Edited August 4, 2025Aug 4 by DirtySanchez

4 minutes ago, Zico said:

Though there's only Wigan for me in the north west that feels like a rivalry 

And even then half this board would disagree with me on that

Id say Blackpool and Blackburn up there although Preston and Burnley respectively are their bigger rivals

15 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

We’re 3 points off the top spot, with 45 games to play. Saw plenty to encourage me that when we get some strikers fit we’ll be in the mix.

Relegation 6 pointer on Saturday. 

20 minutes ago, tomski said:

Port Vale and Stoke maybe the exception on this for me

I was going to call you a daft twat for saying Granada covered those two but I checked and you are right.

They are the exceptions that prove the rule.

Good to see you Sunday BTW. I never found a seat ended up stood at the back hardly able to see anything 

54 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I'm not sure I agree with that, other than those that chose to ignore the bleedin obvious.  I would say most (not all) on here could see that we were shit all along, right from the first home defeats v Exeter and Huddersfield (0-6 aggregate) to the pathetic defeats in March and April.  Yes a bit of an upturn and a few decent wins under SS (and Jules), but we were poor overall.  Being there or thereabouts was more than we deserved, as mentioned with the unusual number of sendings off against us and injury time winners.  I thought most fans realised this most of the season, with a few exceptions.

I've seen enough of us, and enough football generally, over five decades and more, to not be too up about a first day win or down about a first day defeat. 

Orient last year was a decent win against what we thought would be a modest side, all I thought about it. Yesterday was a narrow defeat away to one of the likely front runners, nothing more than that. 

There were some measures of improvement v the two games v Stockport last season though. Challinor in his post match admitted they would have been lucky to have been level at HT, while in the comms, they mentioned that last season we had a total of three efforts on target in 180 minutes. 

We have a tricky first month of fixtures, as tricky as anyone's, I'll see where we are by the end of the month (and the end of the window)

23 minutes ago, Ani said:

I was going to call you a daft twat for saying Granada covered those two but I checked and you are right.

They are the exceptions that prove the rule.

Good to see you Sunday BTW. I never found a seat ended up stood at the back hardly able to see anything 

Yeah likewise. 

We ended up at the back too. Impressively got soaked then burnt in one game.