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[Zico]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Dreadful management then.

Garside may have said the league is priority- though nothing "official" came out.

That notwithstanding, how Megson approached the selection was utterly pathetic. 

Play the players who got to the later stages, and see how they are afterwards. 

Instead, he showed no man management skills whatsoever, and lost the dressing room and fans alike.

Maybe he did it deliberately because, fundamentally, he's a cunt.

Watching that documentary seems gartside does have some input

Told Sam they didn't want cl football

Probably told megson they didn't want an EL final 

Either way, he got us that far then we tossed it off for a defeat v Wigan 

Shite decisions all round

Megson did ok, given the money he was given, he did what was expected of him, he had a tough act to follow

He was just a massive cunt

[Farnywhite]

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Garside may have said the league is priority- though nothing "official" came out.

No there not going to but it was obvious and megson said it since leaving Bolton 

if we have had a manager who as got a better result than the victory at athletico Madrid than megson who were 4th in league when we beat them then I would like to here it . 
Think he was also manger for the Bayern Munich game ? Definitely when we beat man united and Newcastle 

[Tombwfc]

22 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Selective.

One win against utd at home was great.

Hardly proves him to be a good manager.

He also chucked away our European adventure, after we'd done well.

That selection was on him.

Wasn't there also a West Brom debacle too?

Then there was the shambolic fans' day, the lack of players, and the increasing disconnect between the club and fans overall.

Bloke was conceited and an arse.

Turned around the doubters initially, then reversed it, and then some.

After us, he had a year at Sheffield Wednesday and a brief caretaker role at West Brom, seven years after leaving Yorkshire. 

Subsequently disappeared without a trace.

Bloke was a bell.

 

Think the West Brom debacle was Coyle, unless there have been multiple. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

30 minutes ago, Zico said:

Watching that documentary seems gartside does have some input

Told Sam they didn't want cl football

Probably told megson they didn't want an EL final 

Either way, he got us that far then we tossed it off for a defeat v Wigan 

Shite decisions all round

Megson did ok, given the money he was given, he did what was expected of him, he had a tough act to follow

He was just a massive cunt

Input, as in the league is priority maybe?

Not team selection though is it.

It's the responsibility of the manager to understand his players, and make sure they achieve the requisite results. 

If the chairman has actually told him who to pick, then he should have told him to fuck off, and/or resigned. 

The CL stuff under Sam wasn't simply a case of him not wanting it per se, but that Sam wanted some extra cash to get us there.

The rest is history!

[Zico]

5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Input, as in the league is priority maybe?

Not team selection though is it.

It's the responsibility of the manager to understand his players, and make sure they achieve the requisite results. 

If the chairman has actually told him who to pick, then he should have told him to fuck off, and/or resigned. 

The CL stuff under Sam wasn't simply a case of him not wanting it per se, but that Sam wanted some extra cash to get us there.

The rest is history!

not team selection as such, but what they say can influence the manager

they wouldn't give Sam the money, rightly or wrongly and told him they didn't want CL, but that made him think the club aren't on the same page so he left

I'm not defending or justifying Megson's squad selection for Lisbon, which in turn pissed off all the players who had got us to Lisbon, which in turn led to a toss performance v Wigan - was rank bad management all round

but I've no doubt PG will have said that PL is priority over EL and given Megson something to think about, which he then handled very badly, because he's a cunt

[ianofcleveleys]

Clearly PG is not around to give his choice of the words that were said back then about the CL issue, though it being a fall out over reluctance to sanction the £15m or so Sam wanted isnt in much dispute. 

The sequence of events that's always irked me was that, having had that fall out and an era ended over that sort of money, just after Sam packed his bags PG went on 5 live, did an interview about Sammy being given the job and, when asked about the budget, asserted 'he'd get whatever he needed'. 

That wad of cash wasn't forthcoming and Lee ended up with dross like Cid, Wilhelmson and Braaten. 

Lee was then fired off and, over the next two windows, Megson afforded way more than Sam was (in his words in the doc) asking for, on Taylor, Steinsson,  Knight, Elmander,  Shittu. Muamba and more. Some of that money could have been argued to be fairly well spent, but by no means all of it. Some of Megson's other incomings were horrific, Rasiak, Puygrenier, Makakula etc.

As a series of decisions and actions it didn't make sense then and still doesn't now. With the stability and quality of the squad at that time, and everything that was in place in Sam's background to give assurance that, for example, a £6m player and an £9m one, would be good value, the rationale for that reluctance to go again (if there ever really was one) was baffling. 

[jmjhb]

Judging by his signings at Newcastle, we would have signed some utter shite

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I think the money Megson spent came from the sale of Anelka, didn't it?

[Traf]

1 hour ago, Farnywhite said:

No he didn’t he was told by garside no manager is throwing that away he was told what the priority was and we got spanked at Wigan next game because the players were pissed off 

Spot on

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Dreadful management then.

Garside may have said the league is priority- though nothing "official" came out.

I think it was pretty common knowledge and Megson himself said it was the case.

[tomski]

We haven’t had a great manager since Sam left. I’d argue we haven’t had a good manager since he left. Think Schuey has the potential to break the chain.

[Eddie]

26 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

Clearly PG is not around to give his choice of the words that were said back then about the CL issue, though it being a fall out over reluctance to sanction the £15m or so Sam wanted isnt in much dispute. 

The sequence of events that's always irked me was that, having had that fall out and an era ended over that sort of money, just after Sam packed his bags PG went on 5 live, did an interview about Sammy being given the job and, when asked about the budget, asserted 'he'd get whatever he needed'. 

That wad of cash wasn't forthcoming and Lee ended up with dross like Cid, Wilhelmson and Braaten. 

Lee was then fired off and, over the next two windows, Megson afforded way more than Sam was (in his words in the doc) asking for, on Taylor, Steinsson,  Knight, Elmander,  Shittu. Muamba and more. Some of that money could have been argued to be fairly well spent, but by no means all of it. Some of Megson's other incomings were horrific, Rasiak, Puygrenier, Makakula etc.

As a series of decisions and actions it didn't make sense then and still doesn't now. With the stability and quality of the squad at that time, and everything that was in place in Sam's background to give assurance that, for example, a £6m player and an £9m one, would be good value, the rationale for that reluctance to go again (if there ever really was one) was baffling. 

I thought we had a belter after a game or two! Same with Prince, looked unreal for a game or two but unfortunately both proved to be shite.

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

Whether or not anyone perceives Megson was a good manager what cant be disputed was that he was a toxic twat with a chip the size of Stonehenge on his shoulder.

       He should never in the memory of man even been on the shortlist for a Premier League managers job but having got it decided to go to war with the supporters because a minority got their bedsheets out........he was on borrowed time from his first week in the job.

[bolton va va]

Megson did a good job for us which was more impressive considering he had half wits squealing personal abuse at him from the moment he arrived at the club.

[Zico]

44 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I think the money Megson spent came from the sale of Anelka, didn't it?

Iirc correctly Eddie loaned the money for anellka and  took back the £7m but presumably not the profit 

It will have helped but even without the profit megson spent way more than Sam for various reasons 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

6 minutes ago, Zico said:

Iirc correctly Eddie loaned the money for anellka and  took back the £7m but presumably not the profit 

It will have helped but even without the profit megson spent way more than Sam for various reasons 

Yeah, I guess it was partly because we genuinely looked like we might be going down 

[tomski]

8 minutes ago, bolton va va said:

Megson did a good job for us which was more impressive considering he had half wits squealing personal abuse at him from the moment he arrived at the club.

This happens a lot. History rewriting itself. Couple of bed sheet fellas in game one. He brought anything later on himself. I haven’t booed anyone for clarity (well once after Watford in 1999) 

Just didn’t happen.

[tomski]

10 minutes ago, Zico said:

Iirc correctly Eddie loaned the money for anellka and  took back the £7m but presumably not the profit 

It will have helped but even without the profit megson spent way more than Sam for various reasons 

Yes he paid for him and the recouped it all iirc. Well worth it by the way but not sustainable 

[Stig]

I can't believe what I'm reading here with claims Megson was a good manager. He was a muppet who made the whole experience of watching us horrendous, and was taking us down in that 3rd season after 2 near misses. As has been said, he shouldn't have been anywhere near a Prem job 

[pfk505]

1 hour ago, ianofcleveleys said:

Some of Megson's other incomings were horrific, Rasiak, Puygrenier, Makakula etc. 

I remember Puygrenier being pretty solid but Megson decided against signing him permanently. But yes, pure desperation with the Rasiak and Makukula signings. 

[Take Hunt Off]

 

Edited February 23 by Take Hunt Off

[Take Hunt Off]

Megson didn’t help himself from day one , it was fairly toxic with the fans right from the beginning.Neither did he make much effort to engage with the fans 

Got to say though he wasn’t the worst manager we’ve had .

Coyle , Freedman easily worse than him. 
The Hull game was his downfall but not wholly down to him .Matty Taylor missed a sitter to put us three up. Hull brought on the poisoned Irish dwarf Hunt & he banged two in subs were dodgy but he was trying to close the game down just like BSA would have done. The whole ground was toxic , walking back home I knew he’d be gone in the morning.

He was a twat though !
 

ps The hierarchy of the club were responsible for the European debacle 100%

however the 2-2 in Munich was achieved by half the B team.

[Zico]

8 hours ago, Take Hunt Off said:

 

however the 2-2 in Munich was achieved by half the B team.

just had a look, teams below, he took a decent set of first team players to Munich

but he left all these behind for Lisbon

Steinsson, Andrew O'Brien, Gardner, Nolan, Campo, Diouf , Davies, Taylor, Speed, McCann

you don't have to play them, just stick them on the bench if needed, Lisbon scored in the 85th so a few off the bench in the second half could've been the difference of getting to the quarter finals

just like they did in Madrid in the previous round when most of them played

cunts

 

Munich

Al Habsi, Andrew O'Brien, Cid, Michalik, Gardner, Alonso (Giannakopoulos 56), Nolan, Guthrie, McCann, Braaten (Teymourian 77), Davies.
Subs Not Used: Walker, Speed, Harsanyi, Sinclair, Sissons.

 

Madrid

Jaaskelainen, Hunt, Andrew O'Brien, Cahill, Samuel, Giannakopoulos (Diouf 59), McCann (Campo 58), Nolan, Joey O'Brien (Meite 85), Taylor, Davies.
Subs Not Used: Al Habsi, Teymourian, Alonso, Vaz Te.

 

Lisbon

Al Habsi, Hunt, Cahill, Meite, Samuel, Joey O'Brien, Guthrie, Teymourian (Braaten 71), Giannakopoulos, Vaz Te, Helguson (Woolfe 76).
Subs Not Used: Walker, Harsanyi, Sinclair, Sissons, Jamieson.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

10 hours ago, Traf said:

Spot on

I think it was pretty common knowledge and Megson himself said it was the case.

Perhaps so, though I wouldn't feel comfortable taking his word as gospel.

Either way, as before, it was still Megson's responsibility to ensure that that prioritisation happens effectively. 

In other words, think how he would personally feel, had his manager removed his chance of playing in such a European game.

Assess the damage to morale and subsequent league form.

Etc, etc. 

It caused no end of angst amongst the squad and fanbase.

Shocking management. 

[boltonboris]

I always take what Allardyce says with a pinch of salt. I’m not sure I believe his comments about PG not wanting Champions League football. Sam previously said the club couldn’t find the money and then once PG died he changed it to “the club said they didn’t want champions league football” but Phil wasn’t here to defend himself on that. 
 

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, boltonboris said:

I always take what Allardyce says with a pinch of salt. I’m not sure I believe his comments about PG not wanting Champions League football. Sam previously said the club couldn’t find the money and then once PG died he changed it to “the club said they didn’t want champions league football” but Phil wasn’t here to defend himself on that. 
 

 

I'm not sure the exact wording of statements years apart means much.

There was simply a big fall out, with repercussions.

Even bigger shame that their friendship was broken, and they couldn't "separate" professionally, whilst remaining buddies.