SatanGreavsie Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 Bromilow is far from shite. DOUBLE FACT :p
Traf Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 That's a matter of opinion and yours is wrong!
Smiffs Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 I think folk are dancing around the subject here. So lets be honest. They want a pub where hundreds of f??ckin notrights can supp large amounts of reasonably priced decent ale, watch strippers, play cards, and have a sing song, with or without match tickets, free from wimmin, kids, facist orange/yellow warriors, and american menus. none of the aforementioned pubs offer anything like that.
jayjayoghani Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 Bromilow does decent real ale, decent food, the landlord is friendly, bar staff are pretty good. What else do you want? Only disadvantage is it's a bit of a trek to the ground.
Casino Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 Bromilow is far from shite. DOUBLE FACT :p nor is barnstormers but it is a 10 minutes walk from the ground, so clearly folk are likely to get lost
Carlos Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 Bromilow does decent real ale, decent food, the landlord is friendly, bar staff are pretty good. What else do you want? Only disadvantage is it's a bit of a trek to the ground. By George, I think he's got it!
Happy Wanderer Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 It???s not just the Stadium that is pissing people off, I see it a different way. A few years back when we first entered the Premiership the atmosphere was electric and that was down to the fact that we were fighting for something every week along with the Premiership being new to the fans of Bolton. The teams that we played brought extra spice and we were playing the big boys once more. The stadium was filled with passion and noise, yes noise especially when the fans got behind the team it was quite deafening at times. What has changed? The fans have got used to seeing Premiership football. They don???t see it as a challenge anymore and it is if we expect to beat certain teams and not others, so the fans can???t be bothered getting behind the side, they just sit there and watch the lads kicking the ball around for 95 minutes. For those that leave early, yes sometimes they actually play 5 minutes injury time, it???s not just at the Theatre of Wet Dreams. It???s not just the fans fault. The club have worked out their polices down to a T. Think they are pricing fans out of the game? Well possible they are, but they know that a ground with 22,000 will pay the bills. They are not bothered about reducing prices and getting in the extra 5,000 because there is no long term benefit to the club. If they played a poor team one week and only 21,000 turned up, then the club would make a significant loss on the attendance just because the reduced the match day ticket. The club are also not bothered about the match day experience. The fans forum got knocked back on most things we discussed, unreserved seating, singing section, drinking area before the game. The club want to increase sales of drinks and hot food at the ground buy making the catering facilities more efficient. Money, money money. The fans are voting with the feet, but with SKY TV money flooding in, will it make any difference to the attitudes of the almighty? Think again. It???s up to the fans to create an atmosphere, don???t just sit there mopping and reflecting on days gone by and how good Burnden Park was. Live up to the Reebok, yes it???s in the wrong location but it won???t be moved back to Bolton. Get behind the lads, support ???your??? team and help them move up to the next level where we can compete against the top 4. Onwards and upwards. Come-on-you-Whites.
jayjayoghani Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 By George, I think he's got it! It's a 15 minute walk - not the decathlon.
Carlos Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 It's a 15 minute walk - not the decathlon. I'd walk 15 mins for free ale and strippers, and not much else.
Happy Wanderer Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 I'd walk 15 mins for free ale and strippers, and not much else. Don't lower the tone.
SatanGreavsie Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 It???s up to the fans to create an atmosphere, don???t just sit there mopping and reflecting on days gone by and how good Burnden Park was. Live up to the Reebok, yes it???s in the wrong location but it won???t be moved back to Bolton. Get behind the lads, support ???your??? team and help them move up to the next level where we can compete against the top 4. It's quite likely that the guy a few rows behind me in ESL who had the temerity to stand up against Arsenal even though he's on the back row with noone to block the view of - and who thus got chucked out for his pains - was trying to create an atmosphere. He probably agreed with you that "It???s up to the fans to create an atmosphere". Bet he doesn't now. It's not a question of numbers nor a question of the make up of the crowd. The Wolves playoff proved that - there were only 17k home fans there and, for all the fact that terraces still existed, the change in the demographics of football was well underway and I honestly don't think that the makeup of the overall crowd was much different to now. And that night we created an atmosphere that makes even old-timers shudder upon recollection; we were indeed a twelfth man that night. But whatever atmosphere we have now, whatever groupings of like-minded souls (eg the south half of the ESL) is a result of happy accident or a bit of evolution of the seating arrangements on the fans part. The club has played no part. So quite how am I supposed to help create an atmosphere? That's what I want the club to tell me. And if they don't want it can they please tell Jussi to stop coming over to ESL and beckoning for more support just as some other poor sod is invariably in the process of being chucked out. By George, I think he's got it! Ah but the question was is it a decent pub - and the answer is yes. Just not very handy for people coming to the station - but perfectly handy for anyone coming en masse in a car (and parking up the industrial estate) or coming from Howfen, Leigh etc on the free bus or the 516. You could lean out of the Bromilow window and spew on the bus-stop it's that close. Then amble down the road to the ground. Job's a good 'un.
Happy Wanderer Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 So it's all the stewards fault is it?
SatanGreavsie Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 So it's all the stewards fault is it? With the best will in the world they really, really, really do not help.
Hutch Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 The fans are voting with the feet, but with SKY TV money flooding in, will it make any difference to the attitudes of the almighty? Think again. Agree If I was Eddie/Phil, one of my main aims would be to maximise gate receipt income If we had 19,500 ST's in 2005/06 we should have 21,500 ST's now when we splashed out our record fee on a player of Anelka quality and had a fair share of the youth in Bolton following the Whites instead of MUFC - which happened in the 80's But we've got 16,000, so something is obviously wrong Gate receipts will be down as will catering and car parking (even with the price increases) If I owned a shop and lost 20% of my customers in one year, I would want to find out why
Ziggy Posted December 13, 2006 Posted December 13, 2006 The reason they won't allow use of the premier suite is because it is regularly used for other events, these might be week-day events, weekend events or just Saturday nights. How easy do you think it would be to change the set-up of the room around so that it could accomodate 500 - 1000 pissed fans for a few hours every other Saturday/Sunday/Monday? And if you think it would be feasible to use the room on days when it wasn't booked for any other event, what do you think would happen outside on all the days it was being used for another event, & fans who had drunk their for the last 2 or 3 matches, now can't gain entry?
SatanGreavsie Posted December 13, 2006 Posted December 13, 2006 The reason they won't allow use of the premier suite is because it is regularly used for other events, these might be week-day events, weekend events or just Saturday nights. How easy do you think it would be to change the set-up of the room around so that it could accomodate 500 - 1000 pissed fans for a few hours every other Saturday/Sunday/Monday? And if you think it would be feasible to use the room on days when it wasn't booked for any other event, what do you think would happen outside on all the days it was being used for another event, & fans who had drunk their for the last 2 or 3 matches, now can't gain entry? Wigan manage it.
jules_darby Posted December 13, 2006 Posted December 13, 2006 The club have worked out their polices down to a T. Think they are pricing fans out of the game? Well possible they are, but they know that a ground with 22,000 will pay the bills. They are not bothered about reducing prices and getting in the extra 5,000 because there is no long term benefit to the club. And therein lies the policy of a backward, 1980's type thinking organisation, whose own arrogance could well be it's own downfall. And you've fallen into the trap of thinking it's ok. It's not 5,000 extra fans today, it's 5,000 more regulars tomorrow and the next day / season etc etc.
tyldesley_white Posted December 13, 2006 Posted December 13, 2006 And therein lies the policy of a backward, 1980's type thinking organisation, whose own arrogance could well be it's own downfall. And you've fallen into the trap of thinking it's ok. It's not 5,000 extra fans today, it's 5,000 more regulars tomorrow and the next day / season etc etc. 80's thinking , try 70's or even 60's thinking , Bolton have always been like this and I can't really see them changing
jules_darby Posted December 13, 2006 Posted December 13, 2006 If I owned a shop and lost 20% of my customers in one year, I would want to find out why "Direct customers" aren't their only form of income. And as they aint forward thinking, BWFC think it's OK to lose that custom. Sky; the rebirth or death of English football?
Guest as Posted December 13, 2006 Posted December 13, 2006 The matchday experience is terrible, just terrible. No decent pubs near the ground, sh??te beer inside the Reebok & served at a snails pace, ridiculous prices for 90 mins of theatrics, no atmosphere as the away fans are often priced out of coming (even Wigan didn't sell out) & then Fat Sam will be on his soapbox telling us all we're sh??te fans Sadly, the club can't open any decent boozers near the ground, they don't seem to give a f??cking toss that stewards kill any chance of 'enjoying' yourself while in the stands & as HW pointed out, they've no interest in what the fans want. Oh well, just more money in the pubs coffers in future then
tkonion Posted December 13, 2006 Posted December 13, 2006 Ziggy nobodys suggesting that the premier suite is used on matchdays, its the exhibition hall built under the east stand that would be the most practical.
Ziggy Posted December 14, 2006 Posted December 14, 2006 QUOTE(Ziggy @ Dec 13 2006, 01:11 AM) The reason they won't allow use of the premier suite is because it is regularly used for other events, these might be week-day events, weekend events or just Saturday nights. How easy do you think it would be to change the set-up of the room around so that it could accomodate 500 - 1000 pissed fans for a few hours every other Saturday/Sunday/Monday? And if you think it would be feasible to use the room on days when it wasn't booked for any other event, what do you think would happen outside on all the days it was being used for another event, & fans who had drunk their for the last 2 or 3 matches, now can't gain entry? Wigan manage it. Yes, but Wigan clearly don't attract big enough (well paid enough) events to warrant using it purely for that purpose... It's hardly an easy venue to get to & lets be honest is very limited compared to our 'room'. Ziggy nobodys suggesting that the premier suite is used on matchdays, its the exhibition hall built under the east stand that would be the most practical. I thought the exhibition hall was called the Premier suite, maybe I'm wrong, but we're talking about the same place anyway.
george Posted December 14, 2006 Posted December 14, 2006 The area around our stadia doesnt have the things that should be there. Other clubs with our gates have things like burger vans,chippies,scarf+ badge sellers and the end is nigh men outside their ground.
BeeDee Posted December 14, 2006 Posted December 14, 2006 It seems most of the premiership supporters share the views expressed here. john nicholson
Happy Wanderer Posted December 14, 2006 Posted December 14, 2006 The area around our stadia doesnt have the things that should be there.Other clubs with our gates have things like burger vans,chippies,scarf+ badge sellers and the end is nigh men outside their ground. The club will never allow this and they have the Trading Standards people all over the shop.
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