Place for ST chat

The club have obviously taken into account that our support can influence the team vastly; fair play to them putting a policy in place to try and make the NSL as noisy as possible. With us youngsters (chavs ) in the ESL continuing to make some noise with the added value of the NSL, it may almost turn into a competition and maybe create a half decent atmosphere at the Reebok.

 

At 49 quid a pop i think im remaining 16 for a good few years yet

Well said young sir.

IF you are actually 16 you are a credit.

Actually that's a good point, or two points in fact.

On the attendance front, well I missed 3 last year and that added ?4 per game to my average cost. Hardly the end of the world, but if it started getting much more than that then I'd have to wonder.

 

Add to the three you missed the fact that one or two games became get-along-for-a-fiver games which increases your average cost by another few quid.

Last week you said in one of your 23,000 posts that you were not getting a Season Ticket whatever, you work nights and take your lad to football training on a Saturday. You haven't done for the last 4 years

 

...but since the prices have been announced, you've been "advising" the club where their pricing structure has gone wrong. Price isn't a factor in your case

 

 

Just because price isn't a factor in my case, does that preclude me from stating my belief that the club haven't got it right?

 

PS If you must quote one of my 23,000 posts, get it right. I don't work nights and my son doesn't train on Saturdays.

In reply to a couple of Bobcat's points, we would all love to be paying just over ?18 for premier league football in prime seats ESL and WSL, the likes of Bury charge not far short of that for a substandard level of football and facilities, in my opinion ?21.52 is a fair price to pay for premier league football, if like many on here you still think it is too expensive you have the cheap option of ?15.73 in the North stand lower, the only fault in this plan is the demand may outweigh supply, in that event the club should and probably will offer the SSL, people who don't think this is a bargain have clearly lost interest in football and I think whatever the club do would find some excuse not to go, finally I think Megson deserves a chance with a clean slate, we were under incredible pressure to dig our way out of trouble last year and this went some way to dictating the style of football we played, even so, after the arrival of the 3 players in January, we played a better style of football than we did under the last 6 months under Allardyce.

 

I dont often agree with anything Mr Kipper says but the way he has put that is pretty much spot on (I'm only on page 7 though)

Firstly you have said if all sections were kept at the same price you would not have had an issue, just because a section of the ground gets a reduction you have spit your dummy out, o.k. I agree I am in the minority on here but that does not suprise me because the negativity of this site stinks to high heaven it does not change my opinion that the majority of negative people are whinging because they are not getting a reduction and are part of the me, me, me, society this country has bred, the opportunity is there for anyone to to move to the NSL and get the deal, finally I have never called you a part timer and would say you are one of our more loyal supporters, I am dissapointed when good loyal fans feel the need to not get a season ticket because they have not got there two penneth of flesh, but the club seems to be supported by serial whingers and whiners, who cannot wait to jump on the club at every opportunity.

 

 

There we go....... knew it

Right, thing that is a bug bearer for me is how reducing the price in the NSL is going to transform it into a singing stand? It is already 50% season tickets and isn't a singing stand whats going to convince people who dont want to sing to move somewhere else? If my insurance company rang me and said they were going to reduce my premium by ?100 which I may add is already the cheapest around would I say, erm... no thanks I'd rather go somewhere more expensive?

 

NSL will not be a singing stand next season itk fact

 

(sorry for the poor punctuation, Ive had a beer.... Take a deep breath)

Edited June 4, 200818 yr by barryk32

Right, thing that is a bug bearer for me is how reducing the price in the NSL is going to transform it into a singing stand? It is already 50% season tickets and isn't a singing stand whats going to convince people who dont want to sing to move somewhere else? If my insurance company rang me and said they were going to reduce my premium by ?100 which I may add is already the cheapest around would I say, erm... no thanks I'd rather go somewhere more expensive?

 

NSL will not be a singing stand next season itk fact

 

(sorry for the poor punctuation, Ive had a beer.... Take a deep breath)

 

No it will not be a full standing and singing stand. However last year in some games i could actually hear the NSL from under the big screen which is a rarity and surely improving the numbers, packing it out, will mean it eventually getting louder and prehaps, as i said, compete against the ESL.

Edited June 4, 200818 yr by meite/faye's neighbour

I've tried to put that point across BUT I've been accused of being selfish and demanding a pound of flesh.

It seems logical to me, happen I'm wrong then.

 

It is all about opinion, I may not agree with most on here, but I don't ridicule their ideas. As an ex-season ticket holder, few of the incentives BWFC have done have benefitted me, from reduced prices at some matches in the league (always for non ST holders) to the points I had on my ST card not being carried over to the next season....reduced UEFA cup prices and some FA cup matches have been for all, with only a small reduction (at the start) for ST holders

Me and junior Fbat's will be renewing our's before the Darts on Saturday ab

Well I?ll be renewing in WSU, but I?m still not sure what the Board are trying to achieve about ticket sales. Cheap season ticket for kids is a great idea for future fans (no benefit to me, by the way). And a singing stand in the NSL is a great idea, but not sure it will work without offering cheaper transfers out for those who don?t want to be in a singing, standing, jumping stand.

If they want to increase support and noise all round, then they need an approach which will attempt to fill the empty 6,000 home seats at most games. I?m not saying that?ll be easy, but they should be trying all sorts of ideas to crack it even (as others have pointed out) at some marginal cost to the club?s income in the overall scheme of Premiership finances.

On the business front, there seems to be some woolly thinking on here. A business is a business, and there are similarities even between a football club and cornflakes. Kelloggs base their sales on their better quality being worth the extra price. If they get the quality or the price differential wrong, they?ll find customers deserting their brand ? whether it?s to Tesco cornflakes (in football terms, say watching only TV or non-league football ), to porridge (switching to Rugby League), abandoning breakfast (doing the DIY) or something else. The alternative choices for the time and money of potential ?customers? for football in general (and the Wanderers in particular) are not just the attractions or otherwise of other Premiership clubs.

Certainly there?s a strong element of brand loyalty in football, but there is also brand loyalty in other businesses ? which those businesses spend a lot of time & effort to nurture and do not take for granted.

Shrugging the shoulders and giving the impression that potential customers are regarded as disloyal, penny-pinching, picky, whingeing b*st*rds is definitely an alternative business option but rarely a successful one. Remember Ratner ?

Phew, got it off my chest !

PS If you must quote one of my 23,000 posts, get it right. I don't work nights and my son doesn't train on Saturdays.

 

Your post 3 days earlier;

 

It's not the cost that stops me buying one.

They just don't represent value for money IMO. I don't attend night games, due to my working hours and I can't make lunchtime games because my son plays football and watching him is more important to me.

I don't work nights.

My son doesn't train on Saturdays.

 

Or shall I repeat myself again?

 

You have read between the lines and got it wrong.

 

 

PS I'll ask again, shall I? Does my non-purchase preclude me from having an opinion?

Edited June 5, 200818 yr by Traf

Your post 3 days earlier;

 

It's not the cost that stops me buying one.

They just don't represent value for money IMO. I don't attend night games, due to my working hours and I can't make lunchtime games because my son plays football and watching him is more important to me.

I am not sticking up for anyone here or having a go,but the 23,000 posts that traf has made,

 

is probably one for every ? that he has spent watching BWFC over the past 30odd years,and to have

 

a go is out of order.

Its free world, anyone can have an opinion about BWFC

 

They have come in from a fair bit of criticism from myself, although I hope most of it has been constructive. There needs to be balance on this website, we do have 13,000 current season ticket holders and I would expect us to add another 3,000 to this over the summer

 

I think ?299 and ?49 is a decent price for Premiership football

 

If supporters don't want to pay that, they can always do something else with their time

just renewed in nsl me and mrs medway was going to do anyway .but cheaper prices done it now.

price to me as started to be a issue .but the present price was about right without the discount.

would like to go to away matches but found them expensive ,but free travel helped. just happy to afford going to home games , but then again im a old git :angry:by the way i do sing not verygood but i sing

Edited June 5, 200818 yr by medwaywhite

Well I?ll be renewing in WSU, but I?m still not sure what the Board are trying to achieve about ticket sales. Cheap season ticket for kids is a great idea for future fans (no benefit to me, by the way). And a singing stand in the NSL is a great idea, but not sure it will work without offering cheaper transfers out for those who don?t want to be in a singing, standing, jumping stand.

If they want to increase support and noise all round, then they need an approach which will attempt to fill the empty 6,000 home seats at most games. I?m not saying that?ll be easy, but they should be trying all sorts of ideas to crack it even (as others have pointed out) at some marginal cost to the club?s income in the overall scheme of Premiership finances.

On the business front, there seems to be some woolly thinking on here. A business is a business, and there are similarities even between a football club and cornflakes. Kelloggs base their sales on their better quality being worth the extra price. If they get the quality or the price differential wrong, they?ll find customers deserting their brand ? whether it?s to Tesco cornflakes (in football terms, say watching only TV or non-league football ), to porridge (switching to Rugby League), abandoning breakfast (doing the DIY) or something else. The alternative choices for the time and money of potential ?customers? for football in general (and the Wanderers in particular) are not just the attractions or otherwise of other Premiership clubs.

Certainly there?s a strong element of brand loyalty in football, but there is also brand loyalty in other businesses ? which those businesses spend a lot of time & effort to nurture and do not take for granted.

Shrugging the shoulders and giving the impression that potential customers are regarded as disloyal, penny-pinching, picky, whingeing b*st*rds is definitely an alternative business option but rarely a successful one. Remember Ratner ?

Phew, got it off my chest !

 

The best post on the topic of overpriced season tickets and dwindling crowds that i have read.I suppose the weakness in your view is that despite them putting worse ingredients in the cornflakes over the last year,you are still prepared to pay the same money for a packet.

Its free world, anyone can have an opinion about BWFC

 

They have come in from a fair bit of criticism from myself, although I hope most of it has been constructive. There needs to be balance on this website, we do have 13,000 current season ticket holders and I would expect us to add another 3,000 to this over the summer

 

I think ?299 and ?49 is a decent price for Premiership football

 

If supporters don't want to pay that, they can always do something else with their time

1. The price is availble to kids and the 3000 people (out of 28000) that can get a seat in nsl, so to say if supporters dont want to pay is unfair as demand will out weigh supply.

2. I think we will probably sell no more than last season. I think a lot of adults wont renew, but the difference wil be made up by additional sales of kids ?50 tickets. I think the ?300 tickets in nsl will be taken by people moving from other parts of the ground as oppose to new sales.

Its free world, anyone can have an opinion about BWFC

 

They have come in from a fair bit of criticism from myself, although I hope most of it has been constructive. There needs to be balance on this website, we do have 13,000 current season ticket holders and I would expect us to add another 3,000 to this over the summer

 

I think ?299 and ?49 is a decent price for Premiership football

 

If supporters don't want to pay that, they can always do something else with their time

 

 

If we sell 16000 season tickets you and the club will be proved right.

 

If we sell 13,000 or less the opposite applies.

 

I personally do not think there enough in the new prices to increases sales by upto 25% I hope there is, but doubt it.

Having had time to let all this sink in a little now, the lack of price reductions throughout the ground is disappointing.

 

We saw at the end of last season, both home and especially away, how a passionate full following can create a superb atmosphere that motivates the players. These price reductions will not lead to any significant increase in our crowds.

 

The price reductions in just the NSL could attract a few new fans but I expect it to be full with ST holders transfering from other parts of the ground. The lack of reductions in other sections will then come home to roost, as the ?299 price has sold out.

 

Reducing all ST by as much as ?100 will only cost the club circa ?1.3M - fcuk all when 16th in the league gets rewarded with ?32.3M. edit: IMO a ?100 reduction will attract enough new ST holders to reduce this ?1.3M. The club has pissed off a lot of ST holders by not offering the NSL discount to all.

Yes you will say - move then - but I don't want to. I have had a seat in the ESU for 10 years, like many existing ST in the NSL will have had. So why, do they get a discount and the rest of us don't?

 

Secondly the ?49 childs ticket. This is a great offer but is it too good?

I will explain, my eldest son is 6 in September. He has been to about 7 games at The Reebok (6 wins and 1 draw!!!) and could be ready for going more often. At ?49 for 19 games, it is a price that can not be refused. Talking to friends who have children of a similar age (and younger) they too are doing the same BUT with so few games being at Saturday 3PM - I can see yatesy junior only attending half of the games.

See where this is going?...for many games next season, I can see a lot of empty seats as the ?49 kids ticket has been a great success but many dads won't be arsed if they use it or not.

 

 

Overall I still think the price offers good value and I will be renewing BUT I am pissed off that I am not being offered the same discount as those season ticket holders in the NSL.

Edited June 6, 200818 yr by YATESY

Having had time to let all this sink in a little now, the lack of price reductions throughout the ground is disappointing.

 

We saw at the end of last season, both home and especially away, how a passionate full following can create a superb atmosphere that motivates the players. These price reductions will not lead to any significant increase in our crowds.

 

The price reductions in just the NSL could attract a few new fans but I expect it to be full with ST holders transfering from other parts of the ground. The lack of reductions in other sections will then come home to roost, as the ?299 price has sold out.

 

Reducing all ST by as much as ?100 will only cost the club circa ?1.3M - fcuk all when 16th in the league gets rewarded with ?32.3M. edit: IMO a ?100 reduction will attract enough new ST holders to reduce this ?1.3M. The club has pissed off a lot of ST holders by not offering the NSL discount to all.

Yes you will say - move then - but I don't want to. I have had a seat in the ESU for 10 years, like many existing ST in the NSL will have had. So why, do they get a discount and the rest of us don't?

 

Secondly the ?49 childs ticket. This is a great offer but is it too good?

I will explain, my eldest son is 6 in September. He has been to about 7 games at The Reebok (6 wins and 1 draw!!!) and could be ready for going more often. At ?49 for 19 games, it is a price that can not be refused. Talking to friends who have children of a similar age (and younger) they too are doing the same BUT with so few games being at Saturday 3PM - I can see yatesy junior only attending half of the games.

See where this is going?...for many games next season, I can see a lot of empty seats as the ?49 kids ticket has been a great success but many dads won't be arsed if they use it or not.

Overall I still think the price offers good value and I will be renewing BUT I am pissed off that I am not being offered the same discount as those season ticket holders in the NSL.

 

i got a season ticket for the g/fs lad last season although he does miss games when he is at his dads, night games etc etc.

 

but he loves it, he has even on a couple of occaisions come to games when it was dads weekend.

If we sell 16000 season tickets you and the club will be proved right.

 

If we sell 13,000 or less the opposite applies.

 

I personally do not think there enough in the new prices to increases sales by upto 25% I hope there is, but doubt it.

 

There isn't a fcuking chance of ST sales increasing, I'd have bought even at ?380, so would my mate. The two lads behind you said they weren't renewing at those prices. Even the Sensibles aren't renewing...

There isn't a fcuking chance of ST sales increasing, I'd have bought even at ?380, so would my mate. The two lads behind you said they weren't renewing at those prices. Even the Sensibles aren't renewing...

 

 

Now now potty mouth..............

 

 

i agree with you the kids tickets might bump the numbers a bit but as they were only ?99 last year I doubt it.

 

 

(by bump i mean hide the fact that full price sales have dropped)

 

I'll miss aking mrs sensible 'where is carl sat today' and Jimmys inane ramblings.........

I was going to say no more about season ticket sales but I will wager ?50 for charity that we sell more season tickets this year than last, any negatives saying we wont willing to put up ?50, doubt it because we will pisss it.

 

p.s.My confidence comes from Bolton folk knowing a good deal when they see it.

Edited June 6, 200818 yr by Mounts Kipper

Obviously the north stand regulars like my good self are just more loyal and all round better supporters than those in the other stands (its good that someone at the club has finally realised this). I feel this puts to bed the debate about JCL's finally

I was going to say no more about season ticket sales but I will wager ?50 for charity that we sell more season tickets this year than last, any negatives saying we wont willing to put up ?50, doubt it because we will pisss it.

 

p.s.My confidence comes from Bolton folk knowing a good deal when they see it.

 

I'd take you up on it but the problem is that the real figures aren't freely available, and if the figure is really low there's no chance they'll release it.

 

A good deal is picking up tickets for ?5/?10/?12.50/?20 like last season, I reckon I did 18 home games last season for under ?250.