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Can you qualify that?

 

I hear a lot of people saying they want the club to show ambition. What would "show ambition" in your eyes?

 

I get the feeling that ambition for many people would be pissing away a lot of money on household names. Something the likes of West Ham & Newcastle do year in year out.

 

We spent ?12-13m in January on 3 players who IMO have been good signing. More of the same from Megson and we'll do a damm sight better this season.

Edited June 3, 200818 yr by jimmyjoojar

why don't they just reduce the prices until they get back to 25,000 average??

 

surely no one disagree that the crowds over the last couple of seasons, means something needs to be done.

 

can someone explain to me why s/t should be more than ?300 and why they cant bring them down to these prices?

why don't they just reduce the prices until they get back to 25,000 average??

 

I presume you're taking the p?ss

I presume you're taking the p?ss

 

 

no

no

go on then, I'll entertain you..............

 

How would it work?

Can you qualify that?

 

I hear a lot of people saying they want the club to show ambition. What would "show ambition" in your eyes?

I'm not looking for house hold names or superstars. I'm looking for what I believe would be an improvement in the current squad. The players he signed in January were on the whole good signings. Signing sh!t from the lower leagues (Rasiak type players) will show a lack of ambition.

The playing/transfer budget is reduced by a bit

 

v.

 

Better atmosphere and more fans in the long term

my ticket will cost ?409 for 19 games so that is ?21.5 per game (ignoring the kids ticket for now)

that sounds like very good value, in the last 5-6 years the cost of watching the game has gone down.

 

it honestly does not bother me that there will 3000 people with tickets cheaper than me, as they will be sat somewhere i would rather not sit.

 

what i fail to see and anyone who is 'positive' about these prices has failed to answer is how will these prices lead to the ground being more than 75% full ?

 

i think the mistake the club have made is lumping all football fans together. say this was typical business and all our competitors had been seen to be increasign their prices, by holding ours or even cutting them we would gain an advantage and people would use us rather than them. the fact is that football clubs have to attract their own supporters not try to poach those of other clubs, there is significant support for bolton on the town, it is is the apathetic/disilusioned supporters we need to win back. last season was shocking highlighted by the disregard for the uefa cup. waht is the point of a team whose very pinnacle is to qulaify for europe but then does nt try ? it aint megsons fault the same attitude was there under FSA.

 

On the kids ticket i think the club has it right, it will cost me 450 for two, rather than maybe ?600. on this basis i am buying more than i would have, and eventually i might have stopped going myself. the lads enthuisiasm for the game and the fact him and chief wiggums lad can have a laugh together on way over makes it more enjoyable (Chief wiggums fully expensed company car helps as well !!). As i said before i think kids tickets shoudl be linked to a fmailt ticket offer to make sure a full price ticket is purchased but on the junior side i think anything to build the base for the future makes some sense.

 

half the south stand is used for away fans normally but the problme with tickets in there is when in say the fa cup you are meant to give away team a % of tickets. however other teams ignore this rule when it suits. or alternativley why not have a league game only ticket in there match the NSL price for both tiers, but make it very clear that this ticket does not get a seat for cup games ? you could then potentially fill an area of the ground that is currently alomst always empty.

 

Surely this thread shows how difficult it is to get these supporters going week in week out. As for the UEFA cup, the supporters we might have lost by fielding weakened teams must be less than those we would have lost had we gone down? IMO we would have gone down had we beat Sporting Lisbon.

 

We have to face up to the fact that as a club we are not very well supported and out of our max 25000 supporters, around a third or even 50% are "fickle" and may or may not go dependent on their circumstances. It seems the club could make it ?100 per year for ST's and many of the apathetic wouldn't return.

 

My view now is that the halcyon days of 2003/04 when we averaged 26700 and sold out against the likes of Leicester and Fulham, were as a result of being on a crest of a wave. We had heroes like Youri and Jay Jay playing some really entertaining stuff, we were on an upward curve, we had just survived one of the most exciting relegation battles you will ever see, it was relatively cheap to watch both for ST and matchday, and the game hadn't quite the same level of greed and domination by a few wealthy clubs. Now, without this plus the hit in the pocket of the european adventures, and the feeling we have reached our peak, we are struggling to keep our core support going to games.

 

Therefore the club is doing the right thing by trying to get the kids into the habit of going and securing potential future supporters.

Edited June 3, 200818 yr by bristol_wanderer

The playing/transfer budget is reduced by a bit

 

v.

 

Better atmosphere and more fans in the long term

 

Give the boy a degree in Business Economics.

 

Genius!!

One thought - and I honestly don't raise this by way of criticism of the club but simply as a question. If they sell large numbers of ?49 kids tickets, is that setting things up for the appearance of large numbers of empty seats once the kids get bored thanks to a poor start? For example, me 10 year old nephew has never been and has a birthday coming up. For the cost of a couple of DrWho DVDs I could get him a ST. As they live up near Carnforth I know he'd not get to many games in the best of circumstances and if he turns out not to enjoy it much then he'd be to even less. But at ?49 that's maybe not too much of an issue.

Like I say, not the clubs fault as such - but maybe summat that might arise?

 

All in all I think all the ST debate will pale into insignificance if we get off to a poor start and things become uninspiring on the pitch. With no UEFA to look forward to, and if they treat the Cups with disdain, then it could get bleak. But then again if they start where they left off

go on then, I'll entertain you..............

 

How would it work?

 

 

we would fill the 25% of the ground that is currently empty.

 

26000 capacity, so 6500 empty seats at ?25 per game is ?162500 per game, or ?3m per year.

 

Sell 24000 season tickets at ?125 less than last year is ?3m.

 

would we sell 24000 season tickets at ?300 per time ?? i do not know but the fact is if we have so many empty seats the pricing is not right or the ground too big.

go on then, I'll entertain you..............

 

How would it work?

 

ragging great idea. Let's have a dutch auction. The club starts the price, say ?400 for a WSU ticket. A few people renew. The club then lower the prices by ?50. A few more renew. and so it goes on. The club, however, don't publish numbers of who and how many paid. They also don't say how many were for sale. If you don't get your bid in, tough luck.

 

Do it with all sections of the ground.

 

If you leave it too late you don't get a ticket.

So........given the trend of the last two seasons, where do you see our crowds and ticket prices in 5 years time?

would we sell 24000 season tickets at ?300 per time ?? i do not know but the fact is if we have so many empty seats the pricing is not right or the ground too big.

I think, as you correctly point out, the main point is this, even if we got down to ?299 ST for all parts of the ground, would we still sell enough ST's to guarantee 25K each week, I'm not convinced we would

we would fill the 25% of the ground that is currently empty.

 

26000 capacity, so 6500 empty seats at ?25 per game is ?162500 per game, or ?3m per year.

 

Sell 24000 season tickets at ?125 less than last year is ?3m.

 

would we sell 24000 season tickets at ?300 per time ?? i do not know but the fact is if we have so many empty seats the pricing is not right or the ground too big.

 

Would we balls; folk will still say it's too far, cheaper to watch it in the flute with a beer etc...

2 points

 

Has anyone emailed the club for there reasoning behind the price differential between ESL and NSL prices.

 

I will be renewing for my 14th year in ESL and my young daughter for the 4th year.I understand you can get a family ticket elsewhere for 2 people elsewhere at discount,why can't other dad and kids get a discount elsewhere in other areas.

 

Surely my loyalty and 2 s/t's will be take into account ?

 

Bottom line for me taking my kid to matches is a great experience for me and for as long as she wants a st I will buy her one.

 

BWFC know fans like me will renew whatever the circumstances.

we would fill the 25% of the ground that is currently empty.

 

26000 capacity, so 6500 empty seats at ?25 per game is ?162500 per game, or ?3m per year.

 

Sell 24000 season tickets at ?125 less than last year is ?3m.

 

would we sell 24000 season tickets at ?300 per time ?? i do not know but the fact is if we have so many empty seats the pricing is not right or the ground too big.

 

We never have and never will for the forseeable future sell 24000 ST's. Even in our best supported days of a few years ago, we only sold 18000-19000.

No offence NB but I rest my case m'lord.

 

 

And why's that then. Sorry, but I'm currently on a large time delay from the UK BUt I've just trawled through some other folk's posts and it seems pretty clear that a fair few agree and you seem to be in the minority. You are indeed entitled to your view BUT I really do not understand why you think it selfish and unacceptable that folk want a bit of equality in the pricing around the ground.

It's a joke and I think I may even write to the club to inform them they have just lost a season ticket sale from a loyal supporter of the club. Not sure they'll give a f?ck but happen I'll feel better. I shall next season be mostly paying per game so the money stays in my account and not theirs all season.

No offence MK, but you can hardly call me a part timer can you? So maybe if there's more of them out there like me, the club could well have scored a major own goal.

I really do not understand why you think it selfish and unacceptable that folk want a bit of equality in the pricing around the ground.

 

It's only an assumption, but maybe they don't see the view from NSL as being equal to the ESL / WSL, which is why they're charging ?5 more per game for those areas for ST holders?

 

I'm not saying their scheme is flawless, but would you expect to pay the same in the stalls as you would in the circle at the cinema?

It's only an assumption, but maybe they don't see the view from NSL as being equal to the ESL / WSL, which is why they're charging ?5 more per game for those areas for ST holders?

 

I'm not saying their scheme is flawless, but would you expect to pay the same in the stalls as you would in the circle at the cinema?

 

Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. I meant equality in the reduction. One of the reason's I don't want to sit in the NSL is the shite view so I concede the stand should be cheaper than ESL.

If they sell large numbers of ?49 kids tickets

I know this is potentially a bit mean and self-centred of me but my fear would be the crowd started to sound like the one for an England schoolboys game...

 

... furthermore I know kids are the future of our club but in my selfish world I'd prefer some passionate adults sat next to me and not some uninterested youngster eating sticky sweets and playing on his chair without a clue which side is which

 

Probably a bit of an offensive thing to say to most on here who take their kids and I apologise already... in fact I must remember to delete this before someone reads it!

I will be renewing for my 14th year in ESL and my young daughter for the 4th year.I understand you can get a family ticket elsewhere for 2 people elsewhere at discount,why can't other dad and kids get a discount elsewhere in other areas.

 

christ, you are loyal, hanging around red moss tip before the ground was even built

 

bet the atmosphere was better in those days

christ, you are loyal, hanging around red moss tip before the ground was even built

 

bet the atmosphere was better in those days

 

OK smarty 10 years at the Reebok and 4 years at Burnden

I presume you're taking the p?ss

 

What does a business do when enough customers aren't buying it's only product ?

It can improve the product, lower the price of the product, or slowly go bust.

Maybe there are other options ... ?

What does a business do when enough customers aren't buying it's only product ?

It can improve the product, lower the price of the product, or slowly go bust.

Maybe there are other options ... ?

 

Not saying you're wrong, but marketeers struggle applying that statement to football clubs because:

 

a) Most customers don't switch product - I.E Ribena to Vimto / Bolton to Blackburn

 

and

 

There is a greater emotional attachment to football clubs than pretty much any other "product"

 

Let's face it, how many forums are there like this compared to your Kelloggs Rice Krispies forum etc?