Islamic State

[Traf]

 Alan Henning was nice to ordinary Muslims too. Didn't expect any praise or a hashtag. What came of him? 

 

Didn't he get killed, because he had a blatant disregard for his own safety and left his grieving family at Christmas?

 

Didn't he go into what is essentially a war-zone to a civilian, despite being told by all and sundry that it wasn't safe to do so? 

 

I know that, as WW's military correspondent that you'll tell me it's not a war zone, but to untrained unarmed overweight middle aged civilians, it really is.

 

Normal rational Muslims didn't kill him.

[DazBob]

Normal rational Muslims didn't kill him.

Don't be daft, you bed-wetter you.

 

Everyone knows they don't exist.

[jules_darby]

I fail to see the issue with the #illridewithyou

 

As far as I can see it was an attempt to bring together communities and not to have normal Muslims ostracised

 

You know, to avoid that type of behaviour that can help to turn them into radicals / fundamentalists. In not saying that it's a just reason, but let's not pretend it doesn't have an effect.

 

The original story made me smile and I believe anything good that can come out of a terrible situation should be viewed positively.

[Traf]

#cantdorightfordoingwrong

[DazBob]

Jules, Traf, haven't you got it yet??

 

It seems the rules are you have to take a side.

[kent_white]

The lefty, unwashed, bedwetting, Muslims had their own hashtag after Alan Henning was kidnapped #notinmyname

 

I can't blame people for attempting to de-escalate problems they can see brewing on the horizon when incidents like this occur. I'm not saying I'd have gone on for the old hashtag stuff (probably for the same reasons that I wouldn't do an ice bucket challenge) - but if people feel that way inclined, each to their own.

[Youri McAnespie]

There's nowt rational about not supping...*

 

 

 

 

 

* Unless you're George Best's Ghist.

[only1swanny]

I don't think the Muslim community in Bolton could have done more than they did..

 

Candle vigils etc and a mass show of respect..

[Cheese]

I don't think the Muslim community in Bolton could have done more than they did..

 

Candle vigils etc and a mass show of respect..

 

They didn't do a hashtag on twitter. They're clearly terrorists.

[bolty58]

Opinions will only change when it descends into all out war (possibly civil) in our streets and cities. I can really see this happening and then the serial apologists might change their opinions then.

 

Until such time, and I might be pushing up the daisies by then, I am sure that we will all maintain our opinions and do what we each think is right.

 

Moronic comments like "I hate all muslims" are just that - moronic. It may interest you to know that my missus works for a dentist who is a muslim and we were at a (alcohol & pork free!) get together at their place last Sunday. Nice people and disgusted at a lot of this shiyte that happens in the name of their religion. Hosam's mum even sent me home some baklava with the missus last night and very nice they were too. Pointless saying it to you anyway NIC but, don't be a tit.

 

Cheese - one day you will be mature.

Edited December 18, 2014 by bolty58

[Maggie Tate]

Didn't he get killed, because he had a blatant disregard for his own safety and left his grieving family at Christmas?

 

 

No, he got killed because someone thought he deserved to die for the crime of doing good at great personal risk. It is perverse to blame the victim rather than the perpetrator. He did not get pissed and walk in front of a bus, or fall out of a window. Someone thought Alan Henning deserved have his head sawn off on camera. You have blamed...Alan Henning. Great.

 

Normal rational Muslims didn't kill him.

 

 

How do you know? How can you adjudicate on which Muslims are normal and rational and which ones aren't? How can you say which version of Islam is the right one? I'm sure that IS volunteers consider their beliefs and activities perfectly rational.

 

The lefty, unwashed, bedwetting, Muslims had their own hashtag after Alan Henning was kidnapped #notinmyname

 

 

Yes but in that case something had actually happened to someone. As far as I can see this girl on the bus in Sydney never got so much as a dirty look.

Edited December 18, 2014 by Maggie Tate

[only1swanny]

 

 

Yes but in that case something had actually happened to someone. As far as I can see this girl on the bus in Sydney never got so much as a dirty look.

I didn't realise it stemmed from that..

 

I get dirty looks all the time.. Can I have a hash tag? (that doesn't involve dogs)

 

Not being funny here but if i went to a foreign country and dressed as I dress now... I'd expect plenty of dirty looks

[bolty58]

The tasteless jokes have started.

 

Heard today that the madman didn't know the difference between his hated Barristers and  Barista's so he shot one of each to be sure.

[Not in Crawley]

Brilliant, an I've got a Muslim mate post from Bolty and a I know better than everyone else multi post from Tate Adie.

 

WW really is the gift that keeps giving.

[Casino]

Brilliant, an I've got a Muslim mate post from Bolty and a I know better than everyone else multi post from Tate Adie.

 

WW really is the gift that keeps giving.

 

i like maggies informed multiquotes but thats not bad

 

well done

 

you joining us in shoreditch on friday?

[jules_darby]

i like maggies informed multiquotes but thats not bad

 

well done

 

you joining us in shoreditch on friday?

I seem to recall Crawley saying Shoreditch is as "edgy as a circle" these days so I doubt it

 

Perfick for the AHM though

 

Wish I was down for this one

[Sweep]

Will the AHM be frequenting The Horns?

[Not in Crawley]

I did indeed, but then I'm at in the least bit edge so quite like Shoreditch. Not as much as I'm enjoying discovering the joys of round London Bridge at the moment.

 

I also like Maggie's Multi Quotes - I bet not many football forums have their own international security expert.

 

Not this Friday I'm afraid - would have done if I was in town; got leaving drinks in Cambridge. LW - still meeting in the Moon on the Mall? Might have to re-join next year.

[Ani]

No, he got killed because someone thought he deserved to die for the crime of doing good at great personal risk. It is perverse to blame the victim rather than the perpetrator. He did not get pissed and walk in front of a bus, or fall out of a window. Someone thought Alan Henning deserved have his head sawn off on camera. You have blamed...Alan Henning. Great.

 

Not sure he blamed Alan Henning but pointed out he put himself in risk, let's be honest it is not as though entering a war zone is something you should do lightly, of course he is not to 'blame' but his actions increased the risk.

 

 

 

How do you know? How can you adjudicate on which Muslims are normal and rational and which ones aren't? How can you say which version of Islam is the right one? I'm sure that IS volunteers consider their beliefs and activities perfectly rational.

 I think for most of us the idea of someone chopping someone's head off implies that they are outside the norm

 

 

Yes but in that case something had actually happened to someone. As far as I can see this girl on the bus in Sydney never got so much as a dirty look.

I read it as she was removing her religious garments because she was worried about what might happen, so assume that reaction would. Be based on her past experiences.

[jules_darby]

I read it as she was removing her religious garments because she was worried about what might happen, so assume that reaction would. Be based on her past experiences.

Exactly

 

The situation made her change her normal habits in a negative way. The other lady was attempting to provide comfort.

 

What a terrible action

[Not in Crawley]

I know, bunch of liberal, handwringing, putting Muslim's first bastards.

 

Its common human decency - that's what's wrong with the world today.

Edited December 18, 2014 by Not in Crawley

[Youri McAnespie]

Indeed, what's wrong with the world that people can't do the decent thing (stand up for someone being unfairly victimised who may not be able, or comfortable about, standing up for themselves) without crowing about it on their 'Look at me ! Aren't I great?' positively edited social profiles...

 

I happen to think we live in a country where people would step up instinctively, and that such an intiative isn't needed.

[frank_spencer]

But the idea is to put the message out that there's plenty of folk who would stand up for the Muslamics who were scared about being victimised for their garb.

 

This is no way as bad as being one of the victims of the terrorist. But it's a worry of the normal balanced Muslims who were fearing reprisals in their day to day lives.

[Ani]

Indeed, what's wrong with the world that people can't do the decent thing (stand up for someone being unfairly victimised who may not be able, or comfortable about, standing up for themselves) without crowing about it on their 'Look at me ! Aren't I great?' positively edited social profiles...

I happen to think we live in a country where people would step up instinctively, and that such an intiative isn't needed.

Or the idea is to send a message to the terrorists in a very public and clear way that we are better than them and will not turn on people just because they are Muslims.

 

Public acts of defiance can be found throughout history and are massively powerful the fact they are these days conducted via social media does not change that.

[Youri McAnespie]

It does change it, that's why there's a phrase for it - 'slacktivism'.

 

The more kind may term it 'raising awareness', but how many would actually act on it? How many would act on it if they were likely to be at risk of violence themselves?

 

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