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1 hour ago, Whitesince63 said:

Strange as it may seem he’s done ok so far for Rotherham! 🤷‍♂️

Funny that. Listening to the league one lowdown they described him as something like poor and too busy arguing with the ref 

He has played 123 minutes over 4 games. Not scored. 
 

this is why I hated CMG. People just make shit up about them being good / doing anything. 

3 hours ago, Winchester White said:

I am fully aware it could be a 'me' thing 😉 

It's not you having that 'thing'. It's you attacking people who don't. Let people be.

39 minutes ago, Big E said:

this is why I hated CMG. People just make shit up about them being good / doing anything. 

Hating him is a bit strong 😂.

He’s always come across as a decent fella.

I think you have been proven right, in as much as he hasn’t been a success for us.

And him moving on, now we have hopefully replaced with better, seems to be the right move.

Im certainly not in the category of some on here who would rather have seen him stay above our other recruits.

But I think it’s a finer line than you are suggesting - purely on the basis that SS must have seen something in him. Otherwise why start him in the first game having had a fairly decent pre-season? 

Let’s see what he does at Exeter, who ironically are above us at the minute 😂.  Let’s hope he helps them take a few points off our rivals before the seasons out. 

Edited September 2, 2025Sep 2 by desperado

9 minutes ago, desperado said:

Hating him is a bit strong 😂.

He’s always come across as a decent fella.

I think you have been proven right, in as much as he hasn’t been a success for us.

And him moving on, now we have hopefully replaced with better, seems to be the right move.

Im certainly not in the category of some on here who would rather have seen him stay above our other recruits.

But I think it’s a finer line than you are suggesting - purely on the basis that SS must have seen something in him. Otherwise why start him in the first game having had a fairly decent pre-season? 

Let’s see what he does at Exeter, who ironically are above us at the minute 😂.  Let’s hope he helps them take a few points off our rivals before the seasons out. 

There can be a tendency to write off players that leave as not upto it, crap etc, but as you say it can be a fine line.  If I was manager I literally wouldn't know which of our 5 CBs to pick from one week to the next, eventually one will leave and folk will be saying they were never good enough, and I'd disagree.

CMG wasn't going to be outstanding for us, but he's not alone, lots of our players aren't outstanding.

If anyone can categorically say Gale or Cissoko are going to contribute more this season than CMG would have done with the same opportunities, they're guessing.  All we can do is trust SS's judgement that we've signed upgrades because at the moment we aren't basing that assumption on what they've done on the pitch.

Edited September 2, 2025Sep 2 by Johnnyrotten

24 minutes ago, desperado said:

Hating him is a bit strong 😂.

He’s always come across as a decent fella.

I think you have been proven right, in as much as he hasn’t been a success for us.

And him moving on, now we have hopefully replaced with better, seems to be the right move.

Im certainly not in the category of some on here who would rather have seen him stay above our other recruits.

But I think it’s a finer line than you are suggesting - purely on the basis that SS must have seen something in him. Otherwise why start him in the first game having had a fairly decent pre-season? 

Let’s see what he does at Exeter, who ironically are above us at the minute 😂.  Let’s hope he helps them take a few points off our rivals before the seasons out. 

I don’t hate him as a person he just gets the shit because of the bellends who claim he is something he is not. 

2 hours ago, Sweep said:

How much is that worth at current exchange rate?

If the exchange rate is fixed to Premier League : Scottish Premiership index, then about 7.6p. Call it 8p for the rounding.

Does anyone know were we are with squad size Are we up to the limit ? 

2 hours ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

It's not you having that 'thing'. It's you attacking people who don't. Let people be.

I wasn't attacking anyone, merely mocking grown people who call their parents mummy and daddy. Anyway apologies if I have wounded anyone reading my bollocks.

3 hours ago, Big E said:

Funny that. Listening to the league one lowdown they described him as something like poor and too busy arguing with the ref 

My views came from actual Millers fans. Not saying he’s brilliant just that after me telling them how abysmal he’d been here he seems to have done better than expected so far. Maybe they just haven’t seen enough of him yet? 😁

11 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

There can be a tendency to write off players that leave as not upto it, crap etc, but as you say it can be a fine line.  If I was manager I literally wouldn't know which of our 5 CBs to pick from one week to the next, eventually one will leave and folk will be saying they were never good enough, and I'd disagree.

CMG wasn't going to be outstanding for us, but he's not alone, lots of our players aren't outstanding.

If anyone can categorically say Gale or Cissoko are going to contribute more this season than CMG would have done with the same opportunities, they're guessing.  All we can do is trust SS's judgement that we've signed upgrades because at the moment we aren't basing that assumption on what they've done on the pitch.

A big factor in players getting singled out for criticism at this level is inconsistency - most have a great game in them, but it’s just not there every week. Only takes a few crap games or a bad error to wind up a lot of fans. My issue tends to be with players who never seem to have a great game, like Randall who loses the ball too often. Sheehan winds me up by slowing things down and running in circles when under pressure, but he seldom has a stinker, usually retains possession and occasionally he does good things whereas I’ve yet to see Randall produce anything like the form he had at Posh. At this level they just have to ok with a few great games or even moments thrown in tbh.

7 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

A big factor in players getting singled out for criticism at this level is inconsistency - most have a great game in them, but it’s just not there every week. Only takes a few crap games or a bad error to wind up a lot of fans. My issue tends to be with players who never seem to have a great game, like Randall who loses the ball too often. Sheehan winds me up by slowing things down and running in circles when under pressure, but he seldom has a stinker, usually retains possession and occasionally he does good things whereas I’ve yet to see Randall produce anything like the form he had at Posh. At this level they just have to ok with a few great games or even moments thrown in tbh.

I suppose if they could do things well consistently they wouldn’t be in the third division lusty which is probably why players like McAtee, Collins and countless others never made it there.

48 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

I suppose if they could do things well consistently they wouldn’t be in the third division lusty which is probably why players like McAtee, Collins and countless others never made it there.

True so I guess that means they all have a target on their back.

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8 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

A big factor in players getting singled out for criticism at this level is inconsistency - most have a great game in them, but it’s just not there every week. Only takes a few crap games or a bad error to wind up a lot of fans. My issue tends to be with players who never seem to have a great game, like Randall who loses the ball too often. Sheehan winds me up by slowing things down and running in circles when under pressure, but he seldom has a stinker, usually retains possession and occasionally he does good things whereas I’ve yet to see Randall produce anything like the form he had at Posh. At this level they just have to ok with a few great games or even moments thrown in tbh.

I'm not sure consistency is any different from international level to non league.  Harry Kane is never going to be dropped by England (in his prime), yet he's had stinkers/anonymous games.  I've watched Salah being anonymous and infuriatingly wasteful/lazy.  They are at the top because they are simply better footballers, consistency in creative players especially strikers is fairly rare - look at Collins or Charles, or Anelka or Okocha.  Great then wasteful, 9 out of 10 or 5, depending on the week.

I agree on Randall - nothing to do with consistency for me, just not at the level you'd want.

Disagree on Sheehan - I don't see him slowing it down any more than any midfielder in any division generally, always looks to be on the front foot and he's quality when it comes to passing, for this level.

2 hours ago, Traf said:

You've blocked both of his accounts?

All of them 

2 hours ago, Traf said:

You've blocked both of his accounts?

Who did?

2 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I'm not sure consistency is any different from international level to non league.  Harry Kane is never going to be dropped by England (in his prime), yet he's had stinkers/anonymous games.  I've watched Salah being anonymous and infuriatingly wasteful/lazy.  They are at the top because they are simply better footballers, consistency in creative players especially strikers is fairly rare - look at Collins or Charles, or Anelka or Okocha.  Great then wasteful, 9 out of 10 or 5, depending on the week.

I agree on Randall - nothing to do with consistency for me, just not at the level you'd want.

Disagree on Sheehan - I don't see him slowing it down any more than any midfielder in any division generally, always looks to be on the front foot and he's quality when it comes to passing, for this level.

Anonymous tends not to get players pilloried as long as they show in other games. Poor control, passing or finishing gets them noticed.

Frustration about Randall is that he used to be at the level - great first touch, played great passes and hard to shake off the ball, but he's been nowhere near that level with us.

As for Sheehan, watch out for the running round in a circle thing he does when an opposition player is near him next game - and running back to take it off the defenders which immediately cuts down the forward pass options. Does some good things but I do feel he could move it a lot quicker, but he always wants time on the ball.

56 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

Anonymous tends not to get players pilloried as long as they show in other games. Poor control, passing or finishing gets them noticed.

Frustration about Randall is that he used to be at the level - great first touch, played great passes and hard to shake off the ball, but he's been nowhere near that level with us.

As for Sheehan, watch out for the running round in a circle thing he does when an opposition player is near him next game - and running back to take it off the defenders which immediately cuts down the forward pass options. Does some good things but I do feel he could move it a lot quicker, but he always wants time on the ball.

I'll agree to disagree, certainly what I've seen of him this season.

I don't need to watch out for it next game, he's done it in the last 100 that I've seen, its because he can.  If Tomo could have done that he might not have coughed up possession as much or got booked trying to recover.  Sheehan has such a low centre of gravity, he uses it to twist and turn, I see it as a positive.

He does more than some good things, against Lincoln he was streets ahead our best player in 2nd half - not saying he doesn't have some bad games especially away from home but show me a player that doesn't - our best player Simons was anonymous at Barnsley and did little in the next home game before being subbed.

16 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I'll agree to disagree, certainly what I've seen of him this season.

I don't need to watch out for it next game, he's done it in the last 100 that I've seen, its because he can.  If Tomo could have done that he might not have coughed up possession as much or got booked trying to recover.  Sheehan has such a low centre of gravity, he uses it to twist and turn, I see it as a positive.

He does more than some good things, against Lincoln he was streets ahead our best player in 2nd half - not saying he doesn't have some bad games especially away from home but show me a player that doesn't - our best player Simons was anonymous at Barnsley and did little in the next home game before being subbed.

Fair enough. I just think he often does it on "automatic" instead of looking for the first time pass which is often on, by which time the runs of his teammates have been negated. Takes too many touches in general for me which is frustrating for those who have made the effort to find space to receive the ball. But he does make some great contributions - just think he could be better if he moved it on quicker.

Oh - and running back to take it off others instead of running into space or holding his position to receive it from them further forward.

Edited September 3, 2025Sep 3 by Wanderlust

On 02/09/2025 at 13:55, Johnnyrotten said:

anyone can categorically say Gale or Cissoko are going to contribute more this season than CMG would have done with the same opportunities, they're guessing.  All we can do is trust SS's judgement that we've signed upgrades because at the moment we aren't basing that assumption on what they've done on the pitch.

We can go off CMG record while he as been here and that’s what SS as judged him on and moved him on . If you just look at is injury record he will be back out again injured same  at tutu  

Edited September 3, 2025Sep 3 by Farnywhite

1 hour ago, Farnywhite said:

We can go off CMG record while he as been here and that’s what SS as judged him on and moved him on . If you just look at is injury record he will be back out again injured same  at tutu  

I'm not going to dispute the "injury prone" argument, other than he hasn't been injured this calendar year much I don't think.  And certainly no guarantee the new wingers won't get injured.  Aside from that, the conversation about CMG was about quality eg no end product etc, I'm not particularly questioning that, just that anyone claiming Gale and Sissoko are going to be better over the season are guessing (nice finish from Gale yesterday but I'm only interested in their impact in the league).

We’ve seen evidence that Gale and Cissoko can at least control the football.

41 minutes ago, boltonboris said:

We’ve seen evidence that Gale and Cissoko can at least control the football.

I was discussing CMG not Etete or Dan.