Politics

[Mounts Kipper]

5 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

You are absolutely deluded and living in a bubble of right wing extremist guff. You don’t even have the first clue what you are saying. It’s crazy.

I voted labour for over 30 years. Was in a trade union and come from a strong real labour family and voted only once for the Tories. 

Edited September 26, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[bolty58]

11 hours ago, Winchester White said:

Stoking up this 'people vs parliament' is bollocks. Boris loved parliaments power when he fucked over TM and her deal, before voting for it in the end of course.

Also implying the judiciary is bent is not becoming of an MP never mind PM.  He is our Trump.

 

 

As I said a couple of days ago, played correctly, the decision of the Supreme Court could assist Boris in a GE based on precisely this.

Our Trump my arse. Don't turn into the same sort of hysterical drama queen as ST FFS.

[Salford Trotter]

11 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

No it’s not, the EU have negotiating to a fine art this is what they do and the blame lies squarely in Brussels. 

The EU and UK have already negotiated a deal. Blame lies squarely with the UK government for negotiating a deal that couldn't get through parliament

[bolty58]

10 hours ago, Winchester White said:

Oh come on BD. He said prorogation was nothing to do with Brexit then complained that people were using the courts to stop Brexit. He can't have it both ways. Also, did you not see him blatantly lie on TV last week to a parent in hospital that there were no press whilst pointing to them? In normal times that would be his 'Gordon Brown bigoted old women' moment but it was brushed off and cleverly avoided because the bloke was a Labour activist. 

Brexit is poisoning everything and Cummings is making capital out of that with a win at all costs ethic. The Jo Cox remarks were shocking tonight .

Too late. ST2 is born.

[Mounts Kipper]

9 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

The EU and UK have already negotiated a deal. Blame lies squarely with the UK government for negotiating a deal that couldn't get through parliament

There a shock ST siding with the EU, just like the time he said that the WA was closed and the EU offer was last and final. As usual wrong and wrong again. 

[Ani]

38 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I think we will get a deal, better than TM deal, there will not be a no deal. The deal will enable us to trade as we now do, not sure how free we will be too strike other deals until the deal is agreed. 

So a free trade deal for good and services ?

 

 

[Salford Trotter]

6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

There a shock ST siding with the EU, just like the time he said that the WA was closed and the EU offer was last and final. As usual wrong and wrong again. 

I am stating facts not conjecture as you seem confuse the two. A deal was done and the deal was rejected by the UK parliament so we should pointing the finger at the Conservative Party as the ones to blame.

As for opening the WA up again, the EU has asked the UK to come back with a legally binding alternative to the NI backstop and the UK has not done so. If you consider this to be some sort of EU climbdown then you seriously need to read more about it. 

[Salford Trotter]

41 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I think we will get a deal, better than TM deal, there will not be a no deal. The deal will enable us to trade as we now do, not sure how free we will be too strike other deals until the deal is agreed. 

And we haven't even started the trade negotiations yet! We have to leave the EU first and that is proving rather problematic, God help us when the really tough negotiations start. If you think WWays is in meltdown now imagine what we will be like in 2 years from now😂

[Mounts Kipper]

16 minutes ago, Ani said:

So a free trade deal for good and services ?

 

 

You would hope so. 

[Winchester White]

47 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Too late. ST2 is born.

So what are you saying? Boris isn't lying his arse off? Before you say it, all politicians talk shite and bend the truth but we are on a completely different level now.

I am not screeching about anything, simply presenting how bad things have become. Every political commentator has said recent events are unprecedented. 

[Guest]

53 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

I am stating facts not conjecture as you seem confuse the two. A deal was done and the deal was rejected by the UK parliament so we should pointing the finger at the Conservative Party as the ones to blame.

As for opening the WA up again, the EU has asked the UK to come back with a legally binding alternative to the NI backstop and the UK has not done so. If you consider this to be some sort of EU climbdown then you seriously need to read more about it. 

You don’t know that it hasn’t, though

[Ani]

43 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You would hope so. 

Do you think that is a likely outcome ? 

If it was think a deal would be done immediately. 

[Mounts Kipper]

3 minutes ago, Ani said:

Do you think that is a likely outcome ? 

If it was think a deal would be done immediately. 

I don’t see why services won’t be included, I certainly can’t see London not being the place to be for finance after Brexit. (That’s if it ever happens) 

Edited September 26, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Salford Trotter]

21 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

You don’t know that it hasn’t, though

Barnier said this morning nothing has been proposed by the UK government that is acceptable so unless they've made a huge breakthrough in the last couple of hours then that still stands

[Salford Trotter]

47 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

So what are you saying? Boris isn't lying his arse off? Before you say it, all politicians talk shite and bend the truth but we are on a completely different level now.

I am not screeching about anything, simply presenting how bad things have become. Every political commentator has said recent events are unprecedented. 

If you disagree with his myopic view of Brexit, or anything for that matter,  he just calls it screeching. He not worth responding to

[Winchester White]

53 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

 

 

As I said a couple of days ago, played correctly, the decision of the Supreme Court could assist Boris in a GE based on precisely this.

Our Trump my arse. Don't turn into the same sort of hysterical drama queen as ST FFS.

He isn't as bad as Trump of course but his bullshit yesterday was befitting of the orange one.  We should be better than that but Cummings knows it plays well to a certain demographic.

[Farrelli]

26 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I don’t see why services won’t be included, I certainly can’t see London not being the place to be for finance after Brexit. (That’s if it ever happens) 

I've been trying to tell you for ages, London and the SE will be fine regardless. Wales, NE NW England, NI, Scotland on the other hand won't be.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

45 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

Barnier said this morning nothing has been proposed by the UK government that is acceptable so unless they've made a huge breakthrough in the last couple of hours then that still stands

What's new?

EU constantly says everything UK does is inadequate. So that's gospel then is it?

Same pattern repeated time and time again by them and by your response. Similarly by blaming the government for everything. Gina ensured parliament gets a vote (no issues there) but a number continually fail to use it, in some cases openly admitting their intention.

Hopefully Boris will get something to bring back, and enough erg types back it and shut the bleaters up once and for all.

[Mounts Kipper]

39 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

I've been trying to tell you for ages, London and the SE will be fine regardless. Wales, NE NW England, NI, Scotland on the other hand won't be.

Yet Wales, NE, NW mainly voted leave. I’m sure you’ll agree their wishes should be respected. 

[Farrelli]

4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Yet Wales, NE, NW mainly voted leave. I’m sure you’ll agree their wishes should be respected. 

People voted to leave the EU  for all sorts of reasons and that was mostly based on  scare mongering and lies. They did not vote to be poorer because of a no deal exit. 

[Guest]

An opinion poll in the Mail says that a majority of people in the country wanted Boris to apologise for his unlawful prorogation, given he’s not done so and given his remarks re Jo Cox yesterday which even many of his supporters have been shocked by, do people really think there aren’t many Tory MPs with serious misgivings of Johnson and Cummings now?

Im not a big fan of Jess Phillips but she absolutely nailed it today. It’s a calculated tactic to stir up the less desirable elements on the right and create hatred and division. She’s also right that it’s completely unnecessary and pointless. He can bemoan the position without being unlawful or saying the things he has. 

Its a deliberate tactic and one trying to increasingly play to right wing populism. It simply has to stop. He became leader in July and knew the parliamentary position. He could have called for an immediate election which he would have got. Instead he believed he could get parliament onside. Having failed to do so, through his own bluster and apparent disregard for any opinion different to his own, he’s now become desperate. I think Cummings is the force behind this, but both are now in untenable positions. 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Salford Trotter said:

Barnier said this morning nothing has been proposed by the UK government that is acceptable so unless they've made a huge breakthrough in the last couple of hours then that still stands

And you’d believe a representative of a rotten, undemocratic, foreign power over your own country?

Very sad

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, bwfcfan5 said:

An opinion poll in the Mail says that a majority of people in the country wanted Boris to apologise for his unlawful prorogation, given he’s not done so and given his remarks re Jo Cox yesterday which even many of his supporters have been shocked by, do people really think there aren’t many Tory MPs with serious misgivings of Johnson and Cummings now?

Im not a big fan of Jess Phillips but she absolutely nailed it today. It’s a calculated tactic to stir up the less desirable elements on the right and create hatred and division. She’s also right that it’s completely unnecessary and pointless. He can bemoan the position without being unlawful or saying the things he has. 

Its a deliberate tactic and one trying to increasingly play to right wing populism. It simply has to stop. He became leader in July and knew the parliamentary position. He could have called for an immediate election which he would have got. Instead he believed he could get parliament onside. Having failed to do so, through his own bluster and apparent disregard for any opinion different to his own, he’s now become desperate. I think Cummings is the force behind this, but both are now in untenable positions. 

 

Horseshit

untenable in your opinion

 

[Mounts Kipper]

9 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

An opinion poll in the Mail says that a majority of people in the country wanted Boris to apologise for his unlawful prorogation, given he’s not done so and given his remarks re Jo Cox yesterday which even many of his supporters have been shocked by, do people really think there aren’t many Tory MPs with serious misgivings of Johnson and Cummings now?

Im not a big fan of Jess Phillips but she absolutely nailed it today. It’s a calculated tactic to stir up the less desirable elements on the right and create hatred and division. She’s also right that it’s completely unnecessary and pointless. He can bemoan the position without being unlawful or saying the things he has. 

Its a deliberate tactic and one trying to increasingly play to right wing populism. It simply has to stop. He became leader in July and knew the parliamentary position. He could have called for an immediate election which he would have got. Instead he believed he could get parliament onside. Having failed to do so, through his own bluster and apparent disregard for any opinion different to his own, he’s now become desperate. I think Cummings is the force behind this, but both are now in untenable positions. 

 

Apologising for a law that was changed  after he’d prorogued, no reason to apologise for that, Parliament mainly labour having a pop for Boris saying the shocking word “humbug”  I think not,  yes Boris is targeting his market, pissed off brexiteers, this is obviously electioneering, the labour parties faux outrage is only an attempt to make it personal and for their own political gain in order to try to scrape back into the GE race, sadly for Labour the people have seen right through the joke that the Labour Party has become. 

Edited September 26, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Ani]

Project Fear. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49833221