Spider Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said: From what was being said earlier, there will be checks at ports in NI, and also tariffs charged will be subject to being refunded where they remain in NI. Suggests money has to be paid upfront, which should stop what you were suggesting. So I send something - lets say a boiler - to Belfast, and get charged a tariff of £50. You're saying that I get my £50 back so long as it stays there? When do I get that? Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said: There'll have been discussions with the remain camp already about the contingency plans should parliament reject it. Indeed, talk of amendments to bolt on another referendum. No guarantees either way. Quote
Guest Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 How is Keir Starmer Shadow Brexit Secretary? Anti-Brexit Secretary, surely? Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) when labour stop this deal going through they’d better prepare for the lowest number of votes ever at the next GE, they are going to get decimated. Edited October 17, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 20 minutes ago, Spider said: So I send something - lets say a boiler - to Belfast, and get charged a tariff of £50. You're saying that I get my £50 back so long as it stays there? When do I get that? I think that's the gist of it; obviously you'd need to check the mechanics of it all. I would presume the quicker it's delivered and claimed back the quicker you'd be reimbursed. I think this is in part one of the sticking points for the DUP. On the face of it, it doesn't seem to much of an imposition, if it keeps borders flowing etc, but that's different to what some over there will accept. Quote
Moon boy Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Escobarp said: And you sir would be spot on. It would appear we are now leaving without a deal. I for one didn’t think we would end up here and I know there are a lot who just thought we wouldn’t leave at all. That’s not going to happen either and we are crashing out and crashing it will be in my opinion. There’s an awful lot of people who are paid handsomely to protect the country and work for the people and collectively they’ve failed us all here and put their own political objectives at the forefront of everything they are doing and it’s going to cause misery now for a period of time at the very least. Fanny5 used the term embarrassing to describe Boris. I think this term now frankly applies to all our members of parliament. I would go as far as absolutely fucking shameful Can’t agree with your scenario there Escobarp, this deal will pass on Saturday, when the DUP realise they won’t be getting another bung and the agreed deal won’t change now, think they will vote for it Boris needs 320 votes I think he will get near 340, any amendments will not carry, it’s done and dusted, then a GE Quote
Spider Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said: I think that's the gist of it; obviously you'd need to check the mechanics of it all. I would presume the quicker it's delivered and claimed back the quicker you'd be reimbursed. I think this is in part one of the sticking points for the DUP. On the face of it, it doesn't seem to much of an imposition, if it keeps borders flowing etc, but that's different to what some over there will accept. So once my boiler is delivered, and I have my £50 back What stops that boiler making it's way to Dublin? And gtting around all the EU red tape? Quote
Guest Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Moon boy said: Can’t agree with your scenario there Escobarp, this deal will pass on Saturday, when the DUP realise they won’t be getting another bung and the agreed deal won’t change now, think they will vote for it Boris needs 320 votes I think he will get near 340, any amendments will not carry, it’s done and dusted, then a GE Won’t be a GE if we leave now; Corbyn may be some things, but not that stupid. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Spider said: So once my boiler is delivered, and I have my £50 back What stops that boiler making it's way to Dublin? And gtting around all the EU red tape? Kinell I wasn't in the tunnel doing the negotiating! Like I said you'd have to read the detail on it all. I'm going off piecemeal comments from the beeb. Quote
Spider Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Kinell I wasn't in the tunnel doing the negotiating! Like I said you'd have to read the detail on it all. I'm going off piecemeal comments from the beeb. Again, slightly rhetorical Not being an arse But the lads I've spoken to over there today can already pick holes all over the deal. The Irish will use the North as a storage area to get round any vat/charges they can. The policing of it all is going to be astronomical and certainly beyond the Garda. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Won’t be a GE if we leave now; Corbyn may be some things, but not that stupid. Not too sure Boris would go for it necessarily, perhaps he could invite the 21 back. Then again he may have lost the DUP. He would want a majority I suppose to carry out his plans in the queen's speech. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, Spider said: Again, slightly rhetorical Not being an arse But the lads I've spoken to over there today can already pick holes all over the deal. The Irish will use the North as a storage area to get round any vat/charges they can. The policing of it all is going to be astronomical and certainly beyond the Garda. Thing is, this is an agreement with the EU. They're happy with it- surely they must be fairly confident that mass smuggling isn't going to happen? Anyway, so long as you get your tariff back, all is well eh? Quote
Spider Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Thing is, this is an agreement with the EU. They're happy with it- surely they must be fairly confident that mass smuggling isn't going to happen? Anyway, so long as you get your tariff back, all is well eh? Well no - we have to be legit and as such this deal leaves us still frozen out. I'm suggesting that many others won't be quite as on the level and a good amount of chaos is likely. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Spider said: Well no - we have to be legit and as such this deal leaves us still frozen out. I'm suggesting that many others won't be quite as on the level and a good amount of chaos is likely. In all seriousness, once you've sold an item and done your legal bit, what happens to it after you can't be held responsible for. If someone sells some fertilizer through all legitimate channels but someone further down the line lets it go into the hands of a bomb maker, the authorities aren't going to lock up the manufacturers. Quote
Spider Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said: In all seriousness, once you've sold an item and done your legal bit, what happens to it after you can't be held responsible for. If someone sells some fertilizer through all legitimate channels but someone further down the line lets it go into the hands of a bomb maker, the authorities aren't going to lock up the manufacturers. Agree. But if i think I can sell a thousand boilers to the republic and skip all the charges from the EU, I'll just sell them to an agent in NI. Once there, they just get spirited away to the south. The reseller down in Dublin suddenly loses a thousand orders. It gets complicated. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Spider said: Agree. But if i think I can sell a thousand boilers to the republic and skip all the charges from the EU, I'll just sell them to an agent in NI. Once there, they just get spirited away to the south. The reseller down in Dublin suddenly loses a thousand orders. It gets complicated. Are these boilers domestic? Need a new one myself. 😂 Quote
Spider Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said: Are these boilers domestic? Need a new one myself. 😂 They are, I'll hook you up You pay a tariff though and have to claim it back from somewhere or other. :-) Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, Spider said: Agree. But if i think I can sell a thousand boilers to the republic and skip all the charges from the EU, I'll just sell them to an agent in NI. Once there, they just get spirited away to the south. The reseller down in Dublin suddenly loses a thousand orders. It gets complicated. Aye, it does indeed. Remember my first job after uni. We used to manufacture silicone emulsions for use in the printing industry. They were sold to a middle man who also bought in other products from elsewhere to provide a one stop shop for printing industry as a whole. Unfortunately our lot got wind that another manufacturer had approached the printers directly. Ours was the biggest, bulk product they used so it was potentially was a saving for the printers. The only was for us to keep our sales, was for us to also go directly. I got a call from the middle man. I was only a lab technician, but had met the blokes previously, and they were sound. It was the first I'd heard, that a huge proportion of their business was going in the blink of an eye. Felt shit, but life's not straightforward. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 Marc Francois to back the deal, unless an unknown bump appears in the detail. If the erg are backing it, then that boosts Boris's chances. Quote
Sweep Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 Farage clearly doesn't like it, he's just spent an hour on LBC talking about how bad it is, still, I suppose he has to do something to keep himself relevant Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 Just now, Sweep said: Farage clearly doesn't like it, he's just spent an hour on LBC talking about how bad it is, still, I suppose he has to do something to keep himself relevant Saw him earlier. He's not for comprising, but at least consistent. Quote
Sweep Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 Anyway, I reckon it'll be tight, very tight indeed, but they'll decide to pass the deal, but maybe only one or two votes in it Quote
Guest Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Sweep said: Anyway, I reckon it'll be tight, very tight indeed, but they'll decide to pass the deal, but maybe only one or two votes in it 52-48 would be plenty! Quote
jmjhb Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) It'll be close. Certainly this deal has more chance of passing than any of TM's. Wonder if there will be a confirmatory referendum tagged on? However it's not a great deal as far as internal unity within the UK is concerned. Edited October 17, 2019 by jmjhb Quote
Cheese Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, jmjhb said: It'll be close. Certainly this deal has more chance of passing than any of TM's. Which is bizarre considering it's even worse. Quote
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